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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2008, 02:28 PM » |
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I have his live big band album, and find his drumming on it lacking in subtlety and swing. The band is excellent, but his feel for that genre leaves a lot to be desired. C'mon, admit it. You hate him, don't you?  |
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2008, 03:33 PM » |
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I have his live big band album, and find his drumming on it lacking in subtlety and swing. The band is excellent, but his feel for that genre leaves a lot to be desired.
Are we still talking about Phil Collins or are we now talking about Neil Peart? Stay on topic man!  |
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2008, 04:15 PM » |
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I'm a HUGE Phil Collins fan! I saw him on tour with Robert Plant when they were touring to promote both Principle Of Moments and Pictures At Eleven. The man can play drums and just about any other instrument too. He's very gifted singer song writer as well. A very well rounded musician in my book. I recently heard some jazz cuts he was wailing on! He gots the cereal big time! |
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2008, 04:19 PM » |
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Are we still talking about Phil Collins or are we now talking about Neil Peart? Oooooooh! That's a low blow!  |
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« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2008, 04:51 PM » |
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Anyone that would say that Phil Collins' drumming 'stinks' is probably stating so based not on what they hear or see, but what they DON'T hear or see ... that being a bunch of pyrotechnic drumming.
Quite accurate...and to think a major portion of the non-drumming public doesn't even know he plays drum at all! |
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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2008, 05:35 PM » |
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Oooooooh! That's a low blow! Whatever are you talking about?  |
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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2008, 09:24 AM » |
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Yeah, how many other drummers out there can you identify within the first few bars of their entrance? Perfect example of this is the Howard Jones (remember him from the 80's?) tune No One Is To Blame. I mean, from the very first fill he comes in with, you KNOW it's him behind the kit. And his playing makes the whole song.
I loved his playing in the Peter Gabriel era Genesis too. Back when he was just the drummer, instead of the frontman.
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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2008, 09:40 AM » |
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I loved his playing in the Peter Gabriel era Genesis too. Back when he was just the drummer, instead of the frontman.
I've never seen Genesis, but I did see one of the next best things. I caught The Musical Box, http://themusicalbox.net/. They recreate the entire "Lamb Lies down on Broadway" show that Genesis did in the 70's. Their drummer, Gregg Bendian, totally nails Phil's drumming on that stuff, which is some complicated early progrock stuff. For some great Phil drumming, check that out. This band, I hear, talked with Genesis and got old video footage of that tour so that they could recreate it to a tee. |
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« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2008, 12:50 PM » |
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Gregg Bendian isn't he the dude in that mahavishnu tribute band, too? name sounds very familiar. |
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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2008, 01:22 PM » |
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Not sure. It looks like there have been other drummers in the band too. Here the wikipedia link, since the first one I gave seems to be act funny. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Musical_Box_(band) |
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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2008, 05:45 PM » |
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C'mon, admit it. You hate him, don't you? Actually, no. I'm pretty indifferent to him. He's done some things I like, and some things I dislike, but don't feel very strongly about either extreme. That said, I have been a fan of good big band drumming almost all my life, and don't think Collins's playing falls into that category. Ironically, I believe his work with Brand X suggested more subtlety and finesse than I've heard from him in any setting since, and that is disappointing to me. |
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2008, 06:16 PM » |
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Ironically, I believe his work with Brand X suggested more subtlety and finesse than I've heard from him in any setting since, and that is disappointing to me.
I find it hard to fault his general drumming, on too many record releases to list here. So you don't like his big band playing. That's OK. In general I think there are very few, if any, well known drummers who 'suck' or are even bad. It takes a certain amount of talent to get a gig and hold it down for a few years. There are drummers we all dislike from a personal taste point of view. You'd have to drag me over broken glass to listen to Virgil Donati, but the guy has immense talent and skill. So has Collins, so has Peart. |
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2008, 01:54 PM » |
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I love his drumming but hear percussion loops/accompaniment with his drums in a lot of his music. I think he is very talented and has great rhythm. Love his singing too.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2008, 02:29 PM » |
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2008, 03:15 PM » |
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Okay. Phil Collins was a great drummer, darnit! |
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2008, 04:49 PM » |
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I think he made it in his early years - great drum playing for sure.
Then he tried singing and composing, and he made very impressive songs.
He's always been in the top line of his style.
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