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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2008, 03:04 PM »

anyone in the midwest might let a young drummer borrow this book? Sounds like an interesting and possibly inspirational read.


I see used copies @ Amazon for $12.  Public Library might also have a copy.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2008, 08:47 PM »

I've been doing music full-time (teaching, doing gigs)  for 9-months now and it's been an up-and-down ride.......3-kids and a mortgage makes it even tougher.  To make it even more tougher, my wife got laid off (mortgage industry).  We had to cash out her 401k and spent most of our tax return ($6k).  She's been doing some temp work so we're praying she lands something permanent. 

Some weeks I'm signing up new students and then in the same week, some are leaving because they are either going back to soccer or realizing drumming just isn't IT for them. 

As far gigs go, it really is tough to get into the money making cover/wedding bands here unless you're in the right network.  And like a lot of other drummers, the pool is pretty big.  I'm playing in country cover band right now and have been doing auditions to get into other styles of bands.   

I like the part about diversifying.....maybe I need to start learning some percussion because I've been seeing a lot of ads looking for percussionists.  It probably won't hurt learning another instrument too. 

Anyways.......I'm trying to remain positive......the music business is definitely not for the weak, I just want to stay home, sensitive types........you really have to do a lot of networking....sometimes not even with musicians. 

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 09:49 PM »

Although I'm probably not qualified to post on this thread, I'm a high school sophomore and I've pretty well decided that I want to get at least a bachelor's in Music Performance. This thread is pretty interesting to me, because I've been trying to figure out if and how I will be able to make a living making music. But as of now my plan is to of course go to college and network my @$$ off and hope that I get some takers, but if that doesn't work out, the military bands are kind of enticing...except for the fact that I don't really want to be in the military... but there is a guy that I know that is pulling 6 figures straight out of college playing trumpet in Washington DC.
Worrying now isn't going to going to change what will happen in 7 years.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 09:57 PM »

but there is a guy that I know that is pulling 6 figures straight out of college playing trumpet in Washington DC.


Not to be nitpicky, but if you start thinking about financial income more than artistic needs at your early stage I think you might hate being a professional musician.
Playing professionally is a balancing act between making ends meet and playing what you want. When both come together it's bliss.
If you were to join the military for stability rather than because it's something you want to do, you may find yourself unhappy. You may not.
But most players who choose a performance career in music do so as a vocation, not with a set income in mind. Again, after a few years of single figure income you may find yourself unhappy, if six figures seems more attractive regardless of the music.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2008, 12:14 AM »

military bands are kind of enticing...except for the fact that I don't really want to be in the military... but there is a guy that I know that is pulling 6 figures straight out of college playing trumpet in Washington DC.

The military bands can be a great way to get your act together. There are many opportunities throughout the services. The D.C. bands are the elite, and landing a job with one of them is about as difficult as getting a position in a major symphony orchestra. I'm not sure where you get your facts from, but I do question the 6 figure income. If you check the website of the Air Force Band, for example, the pay is in the 40-50K range. Military pay, even for the top bands, is based on rank, and you start as a Tech Sergeant. The head of the arranging staff is a friend of mine, and I know he doesn't make that kind of money.

Also, you'd better be able to do all aspects of percussion ... orchestral, rudimental, mallets, timpani, drumset. Part of the challenge of the job is wearing many hats, performing in vastly different ensembles.
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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2008, 12:20 PM »

The military bands can be a great way to get your act together. There are many opportunities throughout the services. The D.C. bands are the elite, and landing a job with one of them is about as difficult as getting a position in a major symphony orchestra. I'm not sure where you get your facts from, but I do question the 6 figure income. If you check the website of the Air Force Band, for example, the pay is in the 40-50K range. Military pay, even for the top bands, is based on rank, and you start as a Tech Sergeant. The head of the arranging staff is a friend of mine, and I know he doesn't make that kind of money.

Also, you'd better be able to do all aspects of percussion ... orchestral, rudimental, mallets, timpani, drumset. Part of the challenge of the job is wearing many hats, performing in vastly different ensembles.
Spot on!  The pay for an E-6 (Tech Sgt in the AF) in the D.C. area is probably closer to $60K, considering the housing allowance for this high cost of living area.  Add the per diem for travel and the extra clothing allowance, and it's likely closer to $70K.
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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2008, 12:26 PM »

Most people who I know playing for a living are in education. Professors/teachers who also play a fair amount of symphony gigs and dabble in everything from orchestra to teaching/writing for drum corps and drum lines.   To the young guy thinking of taking music in college. Do yourself a favor and get a music ed degree.   Unless you can make it into Julliard or Manhatten a performance degree isn't really going to do much for you. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2008, 09:42 PM »

The military bands can be a great way to get your act together. There are many opportunities throughout the services. The D.C. bands are the elite, and landing a job with one of them is about as difficult as getting a position in a major symphony orchestra. I'm not sure where you get your facts from, but I do question the 6 figure income. If you check the website of the Air Force Band, for example, the pay is in the 40-50K range. Military pay, even for the top bands, is based on rank, and you start as a Tech Sergeant. The head of the arranging staff is a friend of mine, and I know he doesn't make that kind of money.

I'm not sure about the 6-figures...I heard it through the grapevine, maybe I'll have to go back up that grapevine...

Also, you'd better be able to do all aspects of percussion ... orchestral, rudimental, mallets, timpani, drumset. Part of the challenge of the job is wearing many hats, performing in vastly different ensembles.

As for this part- I certainly can do that. And that's one of the things that I love about school bands it that I can play in so many different ensembles. I play in ALL of the bands that my school has- Marching, Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Band, Drama Ensemble, Jazz Band, Jazz Combo, Basketball Band, and Winter Drumline. And I am 1st Chair percussion as far as concert stuff goes, and I am snare drum section leader in drumline, I play set and aux. in jazz band AND I play 4-mallet solos.

Not to be nitpicky, but if you start thinking about financial income more than artistic needs at your early stage I think you might hate being a professional musician.
Playing professionally is a balancing act between making ends meet and playing what you want. When both come together it's bliss.
If you were to join the military for stability rather than because it's something you want to do, you may find yourself unhappy. You may not.
But most players who choose a performance career in music do so as a vocation, not with a set income in mind. Again, after a few years of single figure income you may find yourself unhappy, if six figures seems more attractive regardless of the music.

Really my goal is to be able to make music and make enough money to live a somewhat decent life.
To the young guy thinking of taking music in college. Do yourself a favor and get a music ed degree.   Unless you can make it into Julliard or Manhatten a performance degree isn't really going to do much for you. 
The college that I'm pretty sure that I want to go to offers a Music Performance/Ed-double degree- I may check into that.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 06:19 AM »

As for this part- I certainly can do that. And that's one of the things that I love about school bands it that I can play in so many different ensembles. I play in ALL of the bands that my school has- Marching, Wind Ensemble, Symphonic Band, Drama Ensemble, Jazz Band, Jazz Combo, Basketball Band, and Winter Drumline. And I am 1st Chair percussion as far as concert stuff goes, and I am snare drum section leader in drumline, I play set and aux. in jazz band AND I play 4-mallet solos.

Excellent, excellent! Just wanted to make sure that you knew that aspect of the gig. I am a percussion specialist at a high school in Texas, so I greatly appreciate your experience in all those ensembles.

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Really my goal is to be able to make music and make enough money to live a somewhat decent life.The college that I'm pretty sure that I want to go to offers a Music Performance/Ed-double degree- I may check into that.

I think that also is wise, but a tough way to go. I have a former student now at U of North Texas doing that, and he is struggling with all the committments, but is making it. As someone else posted, many professional players do some kind of teaching to make ends meet. It's very possible to combine a teaching career with a performing career in the right metro areas, especially a college teaching gig.
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