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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2008, 08:02 PM »

But, to suggest that guys like Lang, Donati, Berlin, et al are not making positive or significant contributions simply because they aren't recording with Stevie Wonder or don't have Vinnie's discography is wrong - IMHO Wink

Fair enough.
I see things a little differently. It's OK to agree to disagree I think.  Smiley


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I get a little testy when excellent artists are criticized and popularity or commercial success is an underlying reason. 

I'm not aware I've criticised them, not even Berlin. I dispute some of the things others say about them. I'm happy for Donati and Berlin to ply their trade in which ever way they see fit. It doesn't mean I have to agree they've been a 'huge influence'.
Trying to get back on track......
It may well be that Jeff Berlin has raised the bar for bass players.
You could argue the same for Gavin Harrison, Donati etc....
I merely tried to point out that raising the bar for a small niche area of musicians might be less world shattering than was being proposed.
Miles Davis 'raised the bar', was capable of technical brilliance and was very popular.
He could also play one heart wrenching note per bar.
My benchmark for raising the bar can be technical, but must also move me.
If it moves a lot of other people too, all the better.
It really has absolutely nothing to do with selling CD's.


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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2008, 01:23 AM »

Agreed! We can disagree Grin  I just don't feel that small niches are insignificant.  It is often the niches where there is real innovation and progress.  What becomes mainstream can often be traced back to some niche, something that was once considered insignificant or had no immediate affect on the popular.  The impact was realized later.  And of course there are real innovators who end up having zero or very little impact.  And of course there are people who think they are innovating but are not.  It's very hard to know today where those influences and innovations are going to end up (what the music industry execs wouldn't give for an accurate prediction of the next big thing).  On the other hand, it's VERY easy to say these guys aren't going to be a Miles Davis, who is. My crystal ball is pretty cloudy when it comes to predicting the next big thing, whether music, technology, etc.  And to say something is HUGE in this biz is admittedly murky - I should leave that to the PR and sales people.  I can say fairly confidently that the price of energy will continue to go up for the foreseeable future.  And I can fairly confidently say that there won't be many with the impact of Miles - both simple statements. 
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