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I had no idea until I ordered this new set from Musician's Friend for the Pat Travers show! Oh and let me add that the folks at MF nearly screwed me! Well they DID kind of! Ya see I ordered classic clear reso heads for the entire kit. So MF send me classic clear 12" & 14" heads and classic clear BLACK heads for the 10" & 16"!!!! Which looks STUPID! But I didn't have time to ship them back...so I had to eat THEIR goof! On top of that MF didn't have a 12" Performance II in stock so it was back ordered! So I went to a local store and bought a "Made In America" 12" Aquarian Performance II. So the logos don't match! LOL  Yes that right ladies and gents. If you look at your Aquarian drum heads the denote "Made In USA" and the logo and that statement have a boarder around them. The Mexican version do not! Also, I've found the Mexican heads to be harder to tune....OK THAT COULD be just me being stupid... but it SEEMED that way! All in all I was NOT happy with that $200.00 purchase at MF!
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2008, 05:43 PM » |
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Yeah ... they've been making drumheads in Mexico for sometime now. I'm not happy about it either to be honest.
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2008, 05:53 PM » |
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Does the country of origin matter? 
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2008, 06:32 PM » |
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Does the country of origin matter?
For me ... two reasons: 1. It matters IF the quality is some how less than what it was when it was made in the USA. 2. It takes jobs away from workers here in the USA, but the workers in the USA don't seem to want the work. Or the companies want to make more money by reducing the cost of manufacturing. I'm not going to beat Aquarian up for having a factory in Mexico. Everyone has been doing it long before them, but that doesn't make it okay with me or that I have to like it. I haven't noticed a quality change for the negative, so I really have nothing further to say on the matter. I've been endorsing Aquarian drumheads since 1989 and I have no plans to change.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2008, 07:08 PM » |
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Yes, my only bug bear is that it is somehow assumed by many that Mexican or Asian products are lower quality by default. The proof of the pudding is in the eating I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 08:27 PM » |
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I have no problem of goods being produced by foreign countries-as long as the quality doesnt suffer. Sometimes it does-sometimes it doesnt.
Its a shame that the American labor force wont work if they deem it not worth their while so to speak. Byt the time companies pay their dues in the form of health care, taxes, workers comp etc.........its not profitable. Thats why companies are leaving the US left and right and going to Mexico or Asia etc.
Im going out on a limb and citing N.A.F.T.A. as part of the cause. I knew this would happen. The lousy thing is that by going to Mexico or wherever and production costs are a fraction of what they are here in the US, the products still cost the same! They arent passed to the consumer, and that just rubs me wrong.
I noticed the trend about 10 years ago in California before I moved to Tennessee. And its even worse in this state I think- And we havnt seen the worst of it-Itll get worse, and pretty quickly.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 09:31 PM » |
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And I thought that hearing that DW drums weren't ACTUALLY made in the USA was bad enough...
EDIT: MF aka, the branch of GC... Both have been secretely bought out by the owners of Toys R' Us, so some things may be different both online and at the store.... such as, GC no longer allows floor deals if none of yall have found that out by now...
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2008, 12:39 AM » |
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And I thought that hearing that DW drums weren't ACTUALLY made in the USA was bad enough...
DW drums are made in California. Their Pacific line is made in Mexico.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2008, 07:18 AM » |
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Hi Greg. I order my heads way in advance and always keep a few in my personal "stock"- especially in the summer months when I get busier. Buying heads from MF? YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER  Gawd, buying from a big corp. like guitar center then whining cause aquarian is doing what all corps are doing- outsourcing cheap labor! As far as Aquarians being made in Mexico. I'm indifferent. Aquarian wishes to make more money. Everyone wants to make more money, especially if one wants to stay in business and make *gasp* a bigger profit if not become more competitive. I'm sure some of the technology started and or has remained in U.S.A. How many Americans really want to work in a vacuum forming shop? I've worked in them- it is hot and sometimes smokey work. Most Americans don't want to "work work" as I call it anyways. So I don't see it as taking jobs out of America. Mexican/Latino labor is usually excellent although there is higher turnover typically in the plants/factories. It probably made more sense to make some of the products south of the border. Doesn't bother me a bit. If I feel the heads suffer in quality (which I don't) I'll quit playing them. They are just drumheads anyways. Low tech stuff if you ask me.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2008, 07:29 AM » |
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MF aka, the branch of GC... Both have been secretely bought out by the owners of Toys R' Us, so some things may be different both online and at the store.... such as, GC no longer allows floor deals if none of yall have found that out by now...
No, no, no ... let's not that! There was nothing "secret" about it ... it was all over the news each time there was a buyout. Guitar Center/Musician's Friend was purchased almost a year ago (June 2007) and I reported it HERE. Just because you didn't hear about this until recently doesn't mean it's "secret". Bain Capital Inc. is major leveraged buyout (private equity) firm. They purchased KB Toys back in December 2000, Toys-R-Us (and all associated "R-Us" stores) in July 2005, and the Guitar Center, Inc. in June 2007. Nothing "secret" about any of that. I don't know where you are getting your news. Sorry, it drives me crazy when some starts a rumor and then it gets spread to the point that everyone believes it's fact. Dave Heim is right ... and we've discussed this before ... DW drums are made in the USA. Only their low-end line, Pacific, is made in Mexico.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 07:43 AM » |
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People in Mexico (and other countries) need jobs just as badly as we do, if not moreso. If these jobs move to Mexico because they are 'low tech' or 'dirty' then that implies that we are better at the 'high tech' and 'clean' jobs which will migrate to the US. Everyone does what they are best at, it is the most logical method of manufacturing.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 09:44 AM » |
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People in Mexico (and other countries) need jobs just as badly as we do, if not moreso. If these jobs move to Mexico because they are 'low tech' or 'dirty' then that implies that we are better at the 'high tech' and 'clean' jobs which will migrate to the US. Everyone does what they are best at, it is the most logical method of manufacturing.
Sure, people need jobs in every country and they are benefiting from US jobs putting money into their economy. I don't agree that it implies that we are better at high tech jobs. Certainly, India and Japan and others are putting out more IT graduates every year than the US and more are being employed than the US. They are dominating in 'high tech' indiustries. Also, I think that there are too many CEO's who have been coasting by, not doing a good job, just following the status quo and patterns of say the Lee Iacocca's. The seem to all follow suit and not trying any original business ideas. The US is digging a hole for itself and it will catch up to us. So...what was this thread about..I forgot?!?! Oh drumheads....and so I believe that CEO's who play drums should not buy heads from MF from Mexico. 
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Its a competitive job market internationally and if we want jobs, then we have to give good reason to have them. Either accept lower wage and not enjoy our comfortable 'American' lifestyle that we do, or provide superior work for the money we expect. I've worked in a few offices where most people work fewer than 4 hours a day when it gets down to it. Aquarian made a business decision to save money. We can't complain about losing those jobs unless we're willing to make ourselves more marketable to the companies worldwide and give those companies a reason to put jobs inside the borders of the US.
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Just a note for the members who haven't been around here long. We kind of made a collective agreement to steer clear of political issues, or difficult topics that could stray into political argument. Nothing wrong with the chat so far, just making a point.
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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2008, 04:52 PM » |
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Just a note for the members who haven't been around here long. We kind of made a collective agreement to steer clear of political issues, or difficult topics that could stray into political argument. Nothing wrong with the chat so far, just making a point.
Thanks Chris! I was actually going to make that comment with my very first post, but didn't want anyone to feel like they were getting political. Yes please, keep to the topic without getting into political/governmental comments. Your post may be harmless, but it may be just the button needed to set someone off ... and then it all escalates. The best thing to do is steer clear of the discussion as much as possible.
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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2008, 05:49 PM » |
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I don't care where the stuff I use is made really, as long as it's good stuff and what I ordered! This is my first experience with Mexican made Aquarian heads. Really the problem isn't so much with the heads as it is with whom they were purchased from and how they screwed my order up! Thank you Musician's Friend!  I've purchased THOUSANDS of dollars of merchandise from those guys over the years and this is the first time I haven't been happy with the purchase. So it's not THAT big of a deal, but it was an issue I had to deal with! By the way, both my guitar players have Mexican made Fender Strat guitars.  The seem to work fine for them!
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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2008, 06:54 PM » |
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The best thing to do is steer clear of the discussion as much as possible.
I concur. I will always try to not add fuel to a fire... or a spark.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2008, 08:27 PM » |
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. . .I don't care where the stuff I use is made really, as long as it's good stuff and what I ordered! . . .
Yep. I'm all for 'made in the USA' and all, but it seems to me some authentic and excellent Latin percussion/world percussion instruments come from places other than the US. Nobody seems to give that a second thought. Oh, yeah - and cymbals - some highly prized and remarkable cymbals come from other points around the globe.
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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2008, 08:35 PM » |
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Plus some USA made products have very dubious quality (not only in the music equipment field). Well I'm not a patriotic person. I'm an inhabitant of the global village. It's most definitely positive for musicians to support their local scene and local makers. I'm not so keen on dissing foreign products though. I hope that isn't political.
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I'm an inhabitant of the global village. And all this time I thought you were just a drum playing grape farmer!  I come from planet Earth myself but I do love my country. I could care less is my drumheads are made in Mexico as long as they function as advertised.
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