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« on: May 08, 2008, 05:21 PM »

 
I've been rehearsing with a hard rock band for about three months (3-4 hours every second week), and it's only now that things are getting shaped a bit. (Too long, isn't it.) I was practising their songs 1-2 hours a day, but the rehearsals were awful - I expected helpful communication from them while playing (gestures, nodding, anything), but they said I must play the drum part alone with all the breaks and accents and everything because when we get on stage, there is no communication at all. They say this is not a jazz band, where the musicians mind what the others are playing, this is fixed music, where everyone must play their part perfectly even in a dark room with not seeing or hearing the others, and on stage, you'll never know what's gonna happen, so you'd better not count on the others...
I wasn't used to this - I always kept eye contact with bandmates in other bands, and so we always knew where we were in a song, and if someone made a mistake (in tempo or whatever), the whole band could correct it.
But at last I seem to have made it. The last two rehearsals were quite acceptable, and now we're heading for some summer gigs as it was planned. I just don't feel well in this band because I think the joy of playing music together is quite lost in this impersonal, quasi "professional" way. I also play with a blues band, with whom three rehearsals were enough to get quite ready for a show, because there we keep looking at one another all the time and form the song as we like while playing it.

So, what do you think? Should band members be more like machines each playing their own part with no communication with the others, or should they cooperate all the time and help one another to make the best possible performance?
 

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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 06:35 PM »

Those guys sound so frustrating that I want to quit you band!
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 07:07 PM »

Those guys sound so frustrating that I want to quit you band!


Yeah, I told them twice that I was about to quit them, but they were so patient (!!?) Smiley and didn't let me go. Now I'm OK with them, they really play well, much better than me, but sure, me and them is two different things - anyway, I'll see what's gonna happen at the first show.
 
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 07:18 PM »

There is a tiny bit of truth in what they say. You do have to look after yourself and you do have to prepare for accidents and mistakes to happen.
But you are right, communication, teamwork and eye contact is valid and good business for any group of musicians, in any genre of music.
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 08:04 PM »

There is a tiny bit of truth in what they say. You do have to look after yourself and you do have to prepare for accidents and mistakes to happen.
But you are right, communication, teamwork and eye contact is valid and good business for any group of musicians, in any genre of music.

Since I've been playing with them, I've watched quite a few concert videos by great bands, and in most of the cases I see there's a lot of contact between the bandmates. OK, everyone is alone in their little part of a large stage, but everyone always looks at the others even at the most professional show. Maybe, strangely enough, Black Sabbath don't do this so often, and my band, apart from their own songs, also has a Sabbath cover programme...
 
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 06:46 PM »

While I think that its good to be able to hold your own- if only for when you are playing with bad musicians- i think that ALL music is organic, and NOBODY is exempt from that. These guys probably are great players for you to stay with them, and to some point they may be listening, but it sounds like they aren't really aware of the point of music. BUT as long as its fun for you, and the audience digs it, then go for it.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 07:19 PM »

... to some point they may be listening...

They really are.
Nasty or not, I played a little trick on them. There's quite a long break in one of the songs with some rhythmless guitar effect, where the hi-hat is still on, counting the beat, and then you all must come back quite heavy on the first beat of about the third bar of the section. And I left this hi-hat part out, just counting the beat in my head sitting motionless not even looking at them, and I came back on time, but they couldn't. They asked why I left that part out, and I said, 'Just for practising if I could manage without it,' - meaning if you expect me to play without hearing anything, I expect you to play your parts without hearing the drums.
And then things got sort of settled; maybe they're getting a little bit of my point of view of collaboration.  Cool
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 11:07 PM »

Sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the good.

Every situation I've been in, unless there's a lot of sight reading going on, everyone in the band has been trying, or at least willing, to help everyone else.  That's because everyone has been focused on the music, as opposed to fingerpointing.

Knowing your part cold is great.  I try to do that for every project I'm called for.  But it's about making music, and that's not something done by machines.  Perhaps your bandmates haven't considered this.  If you want a machine, buy one and program it. If you want me, hire me.   I operate under that assumption and it seems to work. 

These guys don't get out of the basement much, do they?
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