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« on: May 09, 2008, 04:15 AM »

Hi All,

I have just finished practicing and I am thinking about abandoning the double bass pedal as I never use it - except for big endings. I have moved my foot a little further back down the board and can get the speed I want for 16ths based around fills and general playing. Initially I got into the double pedal thing in the early 90s as I was under the influence of Matt Sorum and playing in heavier, faster cover bands. In the last ten years I have not played anything which really necessitates a double kick and don't see it arisng. I guess as I get older I am simplifying my set up.

Just curious how many others have gone back to a single pedal?

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 07:38 AM »

I use a single pedal on my big drumset.  It makes no point to have a bunch of toms and have dbl pedal in my opinion.

On my 5 pc kits I use a dbl pedal which I use quite a bit for drags and groupings.  That makes more sense to me, having less toms, smaller sizes and using the dbl kick to make a smaller kit sound "bigger".

Just how I approach things. YMMV
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 08:50 AM »

I have contemplated it from time to time, then realized that some of my favorite licks to play are with my good ol' dw 5002. 

Also when the idea was mentioned to band-mates, it got much disapproval.

Good luck! hopefully it works out for you and brings your foot back to speed. Keep your mind open to bringing it back in the future. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 09:59 AM »

I have one in my setup, but, during the course of a 4 hour gig, I’ll only use it on 3 or 4 songs.

To tell you the truth, I only use it when I’m too lazy to play the “boom…..chick….ba-boom….chick” pattern with one foot. I use this groove on several songs (think every song by KC and the Sunshine Band….) and doing it without a double pedal can be a workout for my right foot, especially towards the end of the night. So I’ll take the easy way out – close my hi-hat and use the double pedal.

I could get by without it, but it’s nice to have as a backup toy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 02:07 PM »

 
When I joined a hard rock/metal band a few months ago, I considered the idea of getting a double pedal. I experimented with one for some time, but I found it difficult to play, and I missed the tricks I do on the hi-hat with my left foot constantly on it. So I gave up using a double pedal after a few hours.
 
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2008, 12:23 PM »

I started playing double bass in 1966 after seeing a local New Orleans drummer doing so, and switched to a DW5002 about 10 years ago.  I play a fairly wide variety of music, including big band and small group jazz, rock, and country, with many different bands, and always set up the double pedal.

There are some nights where the left pedal is just a positioner for the hihat, and other nights when it gets much more use.  Like the cowbell I also take to every gig, it's a tool.  Better for me to have it and not need it than to want it and not have it available.
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2008, 01:09 PM »

I got rid of my double pedal a number of years ago. I use both feet a lot, but for me the Double Kick Pedal just wasn't used enough to haul around. Everything that I do or want to do I do execute with a single pedal. Working out of The New Breed book as well as Stick Control and Syncopation, applying it to the Kick drum, really made a difference in my single Kick pedal technique and usage. I may own a double pedal again someday. I do still  teach students double pedal technique.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 11:48 AM »

when did the double pedal come into wide use?

you do hear a lot of recorded music with beats that sound like they must have been done w  a double. or a computer. Cheesy

maybe or maybe not. but young drummers today want that sound and that's got to be one reason why the double pedal has become a commodity.

however, it is an ungainly beast and expensive.

as bart notes, many of the sounds made by the double can be done by the single. it just takes a lot more work, better technique, talent and practice. and who needs that? Wink

me, id love to produce that kc&sunshine band beat, but im just too lazy, I guess. so I fake it with a pale imitation, minus what the double would add. you can get by. only you and your conscience know the truth.
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2008, 05:27 PM »

... you can get by. only you and your conscience know the truth.

Very well said, I love this sentence.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2008, 11:11 PM »

I have been too stubborn to man-up and succumb to getting rid of mine.  I still have illusions (delusions?) of mastering the @$%# thing, then kicking it to the curb on my own terms.  If I could find a good deal on a new Pearl 2000B, I might do it in a heartbeat. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2008, 11:53 PM »

I love some of things you can do with the double.  Admittedly though there are only a few times where in my band I use it in a song where I think it actually adds to the music.  This is, I think, partly due to my lack of skill and partly to the music we play.  As Bart said, there are some that can do more with a single than I can with a double but I'm keeping it for now since I do enjoy those few times...
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 10:43 AM »

I use both feet a lot, but for me the Double Kick Pedal just wasn't used enough to haul around. Everything that I do or want to do I do execute with a single pedal.
I'm the same way. I've thought about buying a double many times. Then I think, "Na, what do I need that for? I can do most things with a single, so it will end up being just another toy to look at, hook up, and haul around." I always come up with the same answer. "Not for me. I rarely play hard rock."
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2008, 12:01 PM »

I always used to hate using double kick, just seemed like a lot of pointless extra effort for something that isn't realy necassary, but due to the style of music I now play I've had to get used to using a double kick, I find it just helps me keeps up with the pace of everything.

Ironically, because of this, I think I'd find it incredibly difficult to go back to using a single kick. It would make me feel like I wasn't ever doing enough. Sound ridiculous I know, but I gues it just keeps me on my toes a bit I suppose.

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2008, 08:32 PM »

I used to use a double pedal, but I stopped because EVERYWHERE that I took it I got nasty looks from the sound guys and even my bandmates... I really only used it to do drags [which I can fake pretty well double bouncing a single] but I never found a time that that effect was enhancing the music. I still use the "master" of the pedal and occasionally hook up the "slave" during practices, but I haven't used it for a performance in over a year.
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2008, 04:08 AM »

Why would you get nasty looks from any sound guy for using a double kick peddle, band mates I can understand, obviously dependant on the style of music your playing, its sometimes just not needed, but I couldn't ever think of a scenario in which a sound guy would be annoyed at someone using a double kick.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2008, 12:28 PM »

I haven't played with groups requiring a double pedal for more than two years...I have still been using it once in a while, but have been appalled to find myself doing double-kick rolls at the wrong times, relying on it as a crutch, and not grooving as well when it's there for me to think about.

For me, the double kick days are probably over, but that's due to the styles required in my bands, and not a personal comment on "double bass playing" itself.  My metal band always talks about a reunion show--if that happens, the double pedal will be back for sure.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2008, 09:27 PM »

Why would you get nasty looks from any sound guy for using a double kick peddle, band mates I can understand, obviously dependant on the style of music your playing, its sometimes just not needed, but I couldn't ever think of a scenario in which a sound guy would be annoyed at someone using a double kick.

I have no idea... it was mostly this guy that ran sound at a church that my band played at for a few months. I think that he was getting complaints that the drums were too loud, and that since he didn't really understand it, he thought that 2 pedals meant twice the volume...
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2008, 03:17 AM »

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I think that he was getting complaints that the drums were too loud, and that since he didn't really understand it, he thought that 2 pedals meant twice the volume...

 Grin gotta love em', but yeah, I get what you mean now, whilst I was in school I used to have to drum in this big ol' school band thing, was horrible, just lts of different instruments, 90% of the time all playing in a different key, or a different tempo or something ridiculous like that, but I do remember one of the music teachers that ran it always used to frown if I would bring in a double kick, not out of choice, normally cos even at 15 I couldn't find the energy to get out of bed, so would normally just grab the first case I could find. The reason they frowned upon this so much was because it was a christian school, and they all immediatley linked double kick peddles with satanists and death metal Roll Eyes Love it

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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2008, 06:30 PM »

... he thought that 2 pedals meant twice the volume...

... and they all immediately linked double kick peddles with satanists and death metal ... Love it

I think you both mistake the point that this thread is about.
 
BTW (to everybody in the topic), when using a double pedal, don't you miss your constant control on the hi-hat?
 
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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2008, 10:17 PM »


I think you both mistake the point that this thread is about.
 
BTW (to everybody in the topic), when using a double pedal, don't you miss your constant control on the hi-hat?

my bad... My attention span is about- Ooooo shiny!

My answer to this is: YES!! I usually play 1/8th notes on the pedal when I'm not playing the hats w/ my hand- just to give the groove a more complex feel. I also play some open/closed stuff w/ my left hand.
On another sidetrack- I did steal a trick from Carter Beauford where you play the HH pedal w/ the heel of your left foot and your BD Pedal w/ the toe of your left foot. Worked well for the drags that I always used it for. This works to keep give you control of straight closed/open, but no splashes or closing effects.
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