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I have a Pork Pie 7x13 maple snare drum. I just put on a new Remo Ambassador and I tuned it to a descent tone, but when I switched on the snare and hit the drum, there was almost no snare sound and sounded like a tom but with vibrating snare in the background. I played with the snares (loosening and tightning) but I still sounds terrible. I really need to get this snare up a going, I have no others and I have to play show soon. HELP!
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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 10:11 PM » |
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Sounds like a bottom head problem. It's possibly too loose, or very, very tight. A safe place to start on snare for me is medium to tight on the reso (snareside) and medium on the batter.
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 12:17 AM » |
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I agree with Chris that it's a snare-side head problem.
And just a tip- if you need an emergency fix for this just take a bit of tape thats longer than your snare wires are wide [electrical tape works best], and literally tape your snare wires to the head. This is a drumline trick that saved one of our snare players when his head popped 15 mins before contest and we couldn't get his head tuned up right.
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« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2008, 02:25 AM » |
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and... if you recently changed out the wires or the bottom head, make sure you've routed the string or plastic strip correctly. It is possible to mount the snare wires wrong and prevent them from proper contact with the head.
Not that I've ever done that, just before a gig... but I saw... umm... I saw a FRIEND do it... yeah, that's the ticket...
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2008, 07:45 AM » |
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and... if you recently changed out the wires or the bottom head, make sure you've routed the string or plastic strip correctly. It is possible to mount the snare wires wrong and prevent them from proper contact with the head.
Not that I've ever done that, just before a gig... but I saw... umm... I saw a FRIEND do it... yeah, that's the ticket...

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 02:09 PM » |
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I got my snare to sound alot better, but now it has a large overtone. This has never happened to me before  What is causing this large overtone.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2008, 04:14 PM » |
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It's fairly normal to use something to dampen any unwanted overtones. But it sounds like you'll save yourself a lot of time if you book a couple of tuning lessons with a local teacher.
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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2008, 04:40 PM » |
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It's fairly normal to use something to dampen any unwanted overtones. But it sounds like you'll save yourself a lot of time if you book a couple of tuning lessons with a local teacher.
I don't have the cash to be spending on tuning lessons. lol. I used some moongel. but my snare sounded way to dry.
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 08:05 PM » |
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I used some moongel. but my snare sounded way to dry. I used to use MoonGel on my snares all the time...now I only use it if I need that really closed off sound or if I need a little help in the volume department... Funny that the only suggestions that I'm giving you are "use some tape" [maybe I'm a tapeaholic] but you might try some tape on the batter head. I perfer masking tape for this.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 11:13 PM » |
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I used to use MoonGel on my snares all the time...now I only use it if I need that really closed off sound or if I need a little help in the volume department...
Funny that the only suggestions that I'm giving you are "use some tape" [maybe I'm a tapeaholic] but you might try some tape on the batter head. I perfer masking tape for this.
the main thing is, is that I hate muffleing. lol
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 11:23 PM » |
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I have a 30-minute video lesson entitled The Care & Feeding of Drums in which I discuss and demonstrate some basic Snare drum tuning techniques. I wouldn't say it's thorough (more coming soon), but you might find something useful. Here's another article I've written: Basic Drumset Tuning.
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2008, 03:04 PM » |
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I have a 30-minute video lesson entitled The Care & Feeding of Drums in which I discuss and demonstrate some basic Snare drum tuning techniques. I wouldn't say it's thorough (more coming soon), but you might find something useful. Here's another article I've written: Basic Drumset Tuning. My snare still sounds like crap. I am really really extremely frustrated, I really just felt like throwing the @$%# thing down my stairs. I just bought a emperor coated skin and put it on and it still sounded terrible. I am really pissed off for the time being. Is there any other suggestions out there?  ?
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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2008, 03:39 PM » |
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YouTube has actually been solving my tuning problems for a little while here now.
Do a search for Bob Gatzen. Cool guy; knows his stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2008, 03:53 PM » |
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YouTube has actually been solving my tuning problems for a little while here now.
Do a search for Bob Gatzen. Cool guy; knows his stuff.
Yea. I've done everything in the book. Plz no more video recommendations. I've personally E-Mailed the guy also. Nothing has worked...
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« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2008, 04:35 PM » |
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Save up for a tuning lesson!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2008, 05:13 PM » |
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What about the fact my drum is so deep? There has to be some sort of a technique to tuning deep drums, something different than thinner drums.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2008, 05:52 PM » |
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I have to play a show so I just cranked the batter and resonating head down tight till I got a "forced" crack (Defiantly over tightened them but I'm desperate). This made me wanna just get rid of my pork pie and buy a thinner drummer. Big snares are to much of a hassle. I'm probably just gonna pick up a brass or steel snare, I'm becoming less of a fan for wood snares.
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2008, 06:29 PM » |
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Oh, for heaven's sake - take a freaking lesson with a real live pro drummer. If you can afford a PorkPie snare, and multiple heads for it - you can afford one drum lesson.
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2008, 06:34 PM » |
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Oh, for heaven's sake - take a freaking lesson with a real live pro drummer. If you can afford a PorkPie snare, and multiple heads for it - you can afford one drum lesson.
Its a export porkpie meaning it was 200 bux. Plus i got the heads on sale for 5 bux a peice. I also was so frantic cause I needed it for a gig which i have tomarrow.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2008, 10:10 PM » |
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Have someone in the store show you how to do it -- when I worked at a store I did a lot of tuning-crash-courses.
If you're having difficulty it's likely you'll have the same difficulty on another drum. Better to work with what you have and get the basics down.
For the snares... you've probably got the tension on the heads tight to over-cranked. Back the tension off a bit. Now, take your strainer and with the snares ON, back the tension down to about half of the total range. Now physically tighten the snare cord/ribbon/tape in the strainer and butt. Don't crank it so it's already super tight, but make sure they are cleanly engaging the head. If you turn the drum upside down (as if you were going to play it) and the snares sag away from the head, they're too loose. Go back and tighten them.
Now flip the drum back over and tighten the strainer until you get the snare sound you like. Remember, it's as much about the tuning as it is the snare tension, but this method should be a quick and easy way to rule out the snares themselves as the culprit.
Beyond that, just make sure you're using snare side heads on the snare side and you should be home free.
Sorry if any of it seems obvious -- not the intent to annoy. Just want to rule out the obvious problems.
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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2008, 10:29 PM » |
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If videos won't help, I don't see how this thread will help either. Nothing wrong with that; I get it. That being the case, you really need a "one on one" tuning lesson. Do whatever you have to do to make that happen. You need to have someone hear your drum and help you tune it.
I know that I'm not the only one who would say that we are limited on how to help you when we can't HEAR the drum. Trying to give you suggestions and tips based solely on your own diagnosis isn't going to work most of the time. Just like calling a doctor. Minor issues, sure can be solved over the phone or in an email ... but serious issues, you've got to go in and see the doctor before he/she can give you a diagnosis and treatment. Same goes with tuning drums. Some things can be suggested for minor/typical issues, but not being able to tune the drum means no quick fix.
Hang in there; try not to get frustrated ... because it won't help the situation.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2008, 10:37 PM » |
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You need to have someone hear your drum and help you tune it.
That's my point. This forum, Bart's lessons and stuff on YouTube like the Gatzen videos are all great resources, but sometimes you just need to get hands on help to get to the root of the problem. Yes, it's money - I don't know how much, ask for help at your local drum store - but $20, $50, $??, is preferable to throwing the drum out of the window in frustration isn't it? Sometimes money is well spent.
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pfunkallstar ... why on earth are you wanting to delete your Drummer Cafe account?
I just saw that you are wanting to delete your account. I get an alert from the forum when someone wants to delete their account, but I actually discovered that you wanted to delete your account before I got an alert. You know how? I went to your profile to find out where you live and was going to offer you, if you could get to Nashville, a free drum tuning lesson. And if you lived too far away, I was going to find someone who would give you a free lesson as a favor to me. I wanted to see you succeed with this!
I think you need to think this through man. I know you are frustrated, but I don't think anyone here at the Cafe has said anything that should make you want to leave here permanently. If that's what you REALLY want I'll authorize the deletion, but please don't do this because you are frustrated about the drum. I think everyone has been very helpful and tried to help you. Sometimes the truth hurts and/or can increase the frustration. Think it through, wait a day, and send me an email or IM to let me know what you want to do with your membership.
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Ditto what Bart, Chris and Chonson have said. We get so used to getting everything on the Internet that it's easy to assume it holds the solutions to all life's problems. It doesn't. Sometimes you have to deal with people face to face, and even - gasp - spend some money.
Speaking of money, to me $200 is NOT cheap. Most of my snares cost less than that, and I've been playing professionally for many years. Unless there is a flat-out defect in the drum, it should be tunable. The PorkPies I've played have all been killers.
Anyway, be patient, be appreciative (of all the people taking the time to try to help you), and good luck.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2008, 07:19 AM » |
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Oh, for heaven's sake - take a freaking lesson with a real live pro drummer. If you can afford a PorkPie snare, and multiple heads for it - you can afford one drum lesson. I have to say, I knew it was heading here and had to smirk. But then a few posts later, Bart, Chris and Mr. A. show why they are, who they are - and still offer even further advice. Hopefully you are still here Mr. Pfunk. You are in a place where all kinds are welcome. 
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2008, 07:40 PM » |
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I'm sorry for coming off as an ass. I was just really frustrated and rushed due to the fact I had a show coming up and my band mates were not being the most patient people on the planet. Just to add, I'm just a 16 year old angst ridden teenager, who doesn't like to admit I'm wrong  By the way, my gig was terrible due to the fact my snare was outta whack. It was either that or because I let my drum OCD take over my mind to think it sucked. I still plan on selling it because it is to deep and doesn't have the sensitivity I need for playing funk. I had bought the drum almost 3 years ago and I guess my ears are looking for something else. I found someone to buy it for the same price I bought it for, despite that one of the hoops is dented. And about the tuning lesson, my local store I used to take lessons at doesn't have tuning lessons (Idk why), so my dad has started to search for drummers he is friends with to see if they will give me some pointers. Thx for all the help on the forum though, and thx for the offer Bart, but I doubt my parents will let me go to nashville for a drum lesson 
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2008, 08:13 PM » |
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Anyone who's near you should be able to give you some pointers. Hopefully your dad can find someone for you. I'm surprised your store isn't willing to give you pointers; when I worked in a store we were more than happy to show people how to dial stuff in -- makes sense from a customer service perspective, and someone who's less afraid of changing heads for fear of the drum never sounding the same again will buy more heads. Gross commercialism aside... it gets said all the time, but it's so bizarre that learning to tune isn't one of the earliest things we learn to do on our instrument. Sure, there's a certain amount of intuition and just kind of fumbling around one must do to really have it all click, but there's no reason for it to be such a dark art for our instrument. (That's not directed at you, pfunk, it's just an idle observation.) pfunk: Now that you don't have the looming deadline of a gig, I'd suggest taking some time to experiment a bit more with the tuning. It's easier when you don't have a lot of pressure, and a good sounding drum will be easier to sell.
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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2008, 09:19 AM » |
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I've never tuned a porkpie drum myself, so I can see that it might take time to get used to. Do you have another SD? I'm curious why you needed this type of drum so bad for a gig, since it unfortunately brought about so much drama. Hopefully, you have learned a lot from it. I think whenever you try a new drum, you should expect a bit of trial and error before you are comfortable with it. I hope you have a 51/2 x 14" to mess with also.
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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2008, 09:43 AM » |
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I've never tuned a porkpie drum myself, so I can see that it might take time to get used to. Do you have another SD? I'm curious why you needed this type of drum so bad for a gig, since it unfortunately brought about so much drama. Hopefully, you have learned a lot from it. I think whenever you try a new drum, you should expect a bit of trial and error before you are comfortable with it. I hope you have a 51/2 x 14" to mess with also.
Good luck!
I do not have another snare drum. lol. However, I have tuned some 5 and 5 1/2 snare drums before successfully for friends. I also assume my porkpie is tricky because it is so vented. It doesn't matter really anymore.
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I've got nothing to say that Chris, Chonson, Bart and the inimitable Mr. A haven't already said.
Stick around Pfunk, there's going to be plenty of questions, frustrations, joys and achievements as you move forward with your drumming career. There is no better bunch to share them with than the people around here.
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2008, 05:41 AM » |
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It's not easy to learn to tune drums. It takes practice and I'm still doing both (practicing and learning).
I was talking to a local drum rep one day and he suggested I offer to run a tuning clinic at my local drum store sometime. Apparently, a number of drum stores offer clinics on all aspects of tuning. I don't think it costs much to attend, it may even be free. This doesn't help pfunk, but it's a great idea and I think a lot more, if not all, drum shops should offer this service.
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