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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2008, 10:29 PM » |
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If videos won't help, I don't see how this thread will help either. Nothing wrong with that; I get it. That being the case, you really need a "one on one" tuning lesson. Do whatever you have to do to make that happen. You need to have someone hear your drum and help you tune it.
I know that I'm not the only one who would say that we are limited on how to help you when we can't HEAR the drum. Trying to give you suggestions and tips based solely on your own diagnosis isn't going to work most of the time. Just like calling a doctor. Minor issues, sure can be solved over the phone or in an email ... but serious issues, you've got to go in and see the doctor before he/she can give you a diagnosis and treatment. Same goes with tuning drums. Some things can be suggested for minor/typical issues, but not being able to tune the drum means no quick fix.
Hang in there; try not to get frustrated ... because it won't help the situation.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2008, 10:37 PM » |
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You need to have someone hear your drum and help you tune it.
That's my point. This forum, Bart's lessons and stuff on YouTube like the Gatzen videos are all great resources, but sometimes you just need to get hands on help to get to the root of the problem. Yes, it's money - I don't know how much, ask for help at your local drum store - but $20, $50, $??, is preferable to throwing the drum out of the window in frustration isn't it? Sometimes money is well spent. |
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2008, 10:52 PM » |
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pfunkallstar ... why on earth are you wanting to delete your Drummer Cafe account?
I just saw that you are wanting to delete your account. I get an alert from the forum when someone wants to delete their account, but I actually discovered that you wanted to delete your account before I got an alert. You know how? I went to your profile to find out where you live and was going to offer you, if you could get to Nashville, a free drum tuning lesson. And if you lived too far away, I was going to find someone who would give you a free lesson as a favor to me. I wanted to see you succeed with this!
I think you need to think this through man. I know you are frustrated, but I don't think anyone here at the Cafe has said anything that should make you want to leave here permanently. If that's what you REALLY want I'll authorize the deletion, but please don't do this because you are frustrated about the drum. I think everyone has been very helpful and tried to help you. Sometimes the truth hurts and/or can increase the frustration. Think it through, wait a day, and send me an email or IM to let me know what you want to do with your membership.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2008, 06:29 AM » |
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Ditto what Bart, Chris and Chonson have said. We get so used to getting everything on the Internet that it's easy to assume it holds the solutions to all life's problems. It doesn't. Sometimes you have to deal with people face to face, and even - gasp - spend some money.
Speaking of money, to me $200 is NOT cheap. Most of my snares cost less than that, and I've been playing professionally for many years. Unless there is a flat-out defect in the drum, it should be tunable. The PorkPies I've played have all been killers.
Anyway, be patient, be appreciative (of all the people taking the time to try to help you), and good luck.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2008, 07:19 AM » |
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Oh, for heaven's sake - take a freaking lesson with a real live pro drummer. If you can afford a PorkPie snare, and multiple heads for it - you can afford one drum lesson. I have to say, I knew it was heading here and had to smirk. But then a few posts later, Bart, Chris and Mr. A. show why they are, who they are - and still offer even further advice. Hopefully you are still here Mr. Pfunk. You are in a place where all kinds are welcome.  |
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2008, 07:40 PM » |
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I'm sorry for coming off as an ass. I was just really frustrated and rushed due to the fact I had a show coming up and my band mates were not being the most patient people on the planet. Just to add, I'm just a 16 year old angst ridden teenager, who doesn't like to admit I'm wrong  By the way, my gig was terrible due to the fact my snare was outta whack. It was either that or because I let my drum OCD take over my mind to think it sucked. I still plan on selling it because it is to deep and doesn't have the sensitivity I need for playing funk. I had bought the drum almost 3 years ago and I guess my ears are looking for something else. I found someone to buy it for the same price I bought it for, despite that one of the hoops is dented. And about the tuning lesson, my local store I used to take lessons at doesn't have tuning lessons (Idk why), so my dad has started to search for drummers he is friends with to see if they will give me some pointers. Thx for all the help on the forum though, and thx for the offer Bart, but I doubt my parents will let me go to nashville for a drum lesson |
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2008, 08:13 PM » |
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Anyone who's near you should be able to give you some pointers. Hopefully your dad can find someone for you. I'm surprised your store isn't willing to give you pointers; when I worked in a store we were more than happy to show people how to dial stuff in -- makes sense from a customer service perspective, and someone who's less afraid of changing heads for fear of the drum never sounding the same again will buy more heads.  Gross commercialism aside... it gets said all the time, but it's so bizarre that learning to tune isn't one of the earliest things we learn to do on our instrument. Sure, there's a certain amount of intuition and just kind of fumbling around one must do to really have it all click, but there's no reason for it to be such a dark art for our instrument. (That's not directed at you, pfunk, it's just an idle observation.) pfunk: Now that you don't have the looming deadline of a gig, I'd suggest taking some time to experiment a bit more with the tuning. It's easier when you don't have a lot of pressure, and a good sounding drum will be easier to sell. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2008, 09:19 AM » |
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I've never tuned a porkpie drum myself, so I can see that it might take time to get used to. Do you have another SD? I'm curious why you needed this type of drum so bad for a gig, since it unfortunately brought about so much drama. Hopefully, you have learned a lot from it.
I think whenever you try a new drum, you should expect a bit of trial and error before you are comfortable with it. I hope you have a 51/2 x 14" to mess with also.
Good luck!
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« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2008, 09:43 AM » |
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I've never tuned a porkpie drum myself, so I can see that it might take time to get used to. Do you have another SD? I'm curious why you needed this type of drum so bad for a gig, since it unfortunately brought about so much drama. Hopefully, you have learned a lot from it.
I think whenever you try a new drum, you should expect a bit of trial and error before you are comfortable with it. I hope you have a 51/2 x 14" to mess with also.
Good luck!
I do not have another snare drum. lol. However, I have tuned some 5 and 5 1/2 snare drums before successfully for friends. I also assume my porkpie is tricky because it is so vented. It doesn't matter really anymore. |
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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2008, 11:08 AM » |
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I've got nothing to say that Chris, Chonson, Bart and the inimitable Mr. A haven't already said.
Stick around Pfunk, there's going to be plenty of questions, frustrations, joys and achievements as you move forward with your drumming career. There is no better bunch to share them with than the people around here.
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« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2008, 05:41 AM » |
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It's not easy to learn to tune drums.
It takes practice and I'm still doing both (practicing and learning).
I was talking to a local drum rep one day and he suggested I offer to run a tuning clinic at my local drum store sometime. Apparently, a number of drum stores offer clinics on all aspects of tuning. I don't think it costs much to attend, it may even be free.
This doesn't help pfunk, but it's a great idea and I think a lot more, if not all, drum shops should offer this service.
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« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2008, 09:31 AM » |
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This doesn't help pfunk, but it's a great idea and I think a lot more, if not all, drum shops should offer this service.
Absolutely. I think I may have said this somewhere else, but - I took 7 years of lessons in yesteryear, and it occurs to me now that my teacher didn't spend a single minute discussing tuning. And I was too stoopid/shy to ask. I'm definitely tuning challenged. I know the basic ideas, but I also know that I'm not exactly hitting it out of the park with my tuning. [...and my playing and my ...] |
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