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« on: May 15, 2008, 09:20 AM »

Every time I set up for a gig, I always (out of habit) go out to the front and see what my kit looks like. Make sure the toms are straight, make sure my 2 crashes are at the same height, make sure a mic cord isn't covering up part of the 'Yamaha' on my kick, etc.

Then I think to myself what am I doing? Does it really even matter??? Am I being overly anal about this? Who cares what the kit looks like as long as it's comfortable and I sound good.

Just wondering if anyone else does this? Is having an aesthetically pleasing (to the audience) kit important to you? Or not?

I do the same thing when I watch myself play. Even on songs that I’m really feeling and really getting into, I still look like Charlie Watts when I go back and watch myself. I look flat out BORED a lot of the time, even when I’m not. Should I try to change that, or does it even matter? 

I'd be interested to hear what some of our professional touring guys have to say about this.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 09:34 AM »

I don't really think about that stuff with the kit.

But, when I have played out in the past, I Do look at the overall stage after everyone sets up and try to tidy up.  Some people can make quite a cable mess, and I don't think that's necessary.   Some venues certainly don't want you making a mess. 

I do like a tidy playing area, but outside of that, I'm not thinking about precise heights and angles of anything.  As long as I'm comfortable.

I Do fuss a bit about - stompers.  I seem to have played with quite a few people who will stomp cables and other stuff on the floor.  You shouldn't lay a big heavy bin on top of cables.  That's just not too bright.     You also shouldn't Walk on my cables after I put them out.  Walk Over them, not on them.  Smiley     That stuff I Definitely notice.   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 09:44 AM »

lol, ditto! I do the same rituals, ALL OF THEM! Then just when I get it right, I start over again. I will always see something I missed. (Obsessive compulsive disorder I guess). I think if you dont look good, or feel good you dont sound good. We also try to be more than musicians as well, gotta be entertainers, makes a big difference. Light shows, cool awesome well kept gear, fog machines, hair gel, deodorant all go well together. lol. I have seen guys though with old, crappy drums set up way crazy and what I would say not very ergonomic, and crooked didnt look like he cared for his gear, and was so fugly I thought geez he had to become a musician or else he'd never get any _ _ _ _ _! But man he killed the kit, sounded great so who knows.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2008, 10:01 AM »

From gig to gig, my kit usually looks the same, because I set up everything the same every time, unless there are unusual circumstances.  I will, however, go out front and (like New York Frank) look at the stage as a whole, to see if it looks tidy and balanced within the space provided.  That being said, I do occasionally step back and admire my drums.  I love musical equipment... the gear we all use to do what we do; the drums, the amps... some of those guitars are simply works of art.  So sometimes I just like to take a moment to admire those things.   But as far as the actual position of my drums and cymbals, the first priority is playability.  Is it where it needs to be to be?  If it looks good out front... that's a bonus, but not my first concern.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2008, 10:36 AM »

I care about how my set-up looks and feels behind the kit.  I stand back from behind the kit (sometimes) to make sure (for example) that my Floor Tom is level with the Snare, which is how I like it. For the most part, however, I do an "inventory roll-call" from behind the kit while I'm seated. I check for instrument angles, making sure that as I move from  drum to drum my sticks are hovering about 2-inches, parallel above the surface.

The only time I make changes based on what it looks like out front is when something looks really strange ... and making the change would not affect how the kit feels or how I play it.

If the instruments are clean, as opposed to dusty, there's not much else I worry about. I know it will look great out front, and on occasion I do check out from to confirm what I already know.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2008, 10:46 AM »

Every time I set up for a gig, I always (out of habit) go out to the front and see what my kit looks like. Make sure the toms are straight, make sure my 2 crashes are at the same height, make sure a mic cord isn't covering up part of the 'Yamaha' on my kick, etc.

I do pretty much the same thing -- except I don't care about whether the brand name is showing or not.  DW and Paiste are not paying me to play their stuff, and I've never been big on displaying brand names or logos on my kit, my car, or my clothing.  We're so bombarded with advertising and commerce in this world, it makes me a little queasy when I see people adding extra Toyota decals (or whatever brand name) to their cars.  It’s silly, in my opinion.  But I digress!

Live music is an audio and visual medium, and I give attention to both of those aspects. Plus, like many here, I'm proud of my kit and I want to show it off!  I don't obsess over this stuff too much, though.  But yeah, I check things out from the front of the stage.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2008, 11:09 AM »

I often step back and look at what my kit looks like. Partially to make myself smile because I think the instruments I have are beautiful, and partially because it brightens the whole stage show. Every little detail counts.

Even if the general average audience member doesn't notice. The 4 or 5 drummers out there will notice, and they may appreciate the little extra effort.  They might even say something about it to you after the gig.  And thats how you know you're appreciated.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2008, 11:53 AM »

I never cared about it until someone snapped this pic:

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=2678
2875&albumID=0&imageID=24540223


made me think, 'hmmm...maybe I should pay more attention to this kinda thing.'


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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2008, 11:54 AM »

aw, crap. I was afraid it wouldn't work.


well you can go to www.myspace.com/debbthedrummer and take a peek at the gig pics. you'll see a rather awkward-looking yamaha kick drum logo.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2008, 12:43 PM »

My entire look changes on my moods.  It's part of the artform for me.

Pesonally I change my look all the time.  Saturday I'm getting my hair straightened before the gig.  Playing the black kit too and wearing T shirt with skulls.

Black Resos and slightly dirty cymbals are my trademark Grin
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2008, 12:52 PM »

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Do You Care What You or Your Kit Looks Like When You Play?

Not really.  I set up so that the drums are positioned for me.  Cymbals are positioned at heights and angles that make them easiest for me to play them.  I don't really care how that looks to the audience. 

That being said, I like them to look nice so, I try to keep fingerprints off the front bass drum head, chrome rims, and shells.  I try to keep cables routed in a tidy manner - not so much for looks, but for safety.

BUT - it's a gig, not a catalog photo shoot, so I'm not all Rain Man about it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2008, 01:10 PM »

What I lack in talent I make up for in looks  Grin

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2008, 01:21 PM »

I keep the dust off and make sure the shells stay protected as much as possible, but I don't position my drums physically to satisfy any aesthetic goal. I set them up like I want them so that I can play everything from a relaxed, comfortable position. I may be sacrificing the dramatic effect of 10' cymbal stands or whatever, but my body thanks me.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2008, 01:43 PM »

I dont see how you can NOT care what things look like...

so much of what you paid for in your drums is the overall finish and fit, for one thing. I just about swoon looking at those gorgeous green burst wood shells Grin

im kind of anal about things fitting together just right and looking right front and rear.

drumming is such a guy thing, with all the heavy metal stands and clamps and bolts and rubber. some speak of what they are 'running' for heads, like their drums are polished hot rods. and we know we care how our cars look, don't we? at least we who live in the sunbelt  do. Cool

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2008, 01:57 PM »

The comfort of the kit is most important to me, so positioning of cymbals & toms for playability takes precedence over whether they look 'right' to the audience.

As for me, I look how I look, and try to dress as decently as my arm movements will permit.

There is one consideration I make for the look out front though, and that's to have a white or light-colored kit, so that the lighting refelcts on them for a more dynamic look. Dark drums tend to get lost onstage, and they also look smaller. Given that I really can't appreciate how the kit looks when I'm sitting behind it, a 'cool' finish isn't a priority.

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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2008, 02:48 PM »

Just to be clear, I’m not saying I sacrifice comfort for looks – not at all, actually. I’m ALL ABOUT being comfortable when I play, especially if it’s going to be a long night behind the kit (and when you play in a wedding band, most of them are….).

This is an even bigger deal for me since watching Bart’s ergonomic hi-hat video and reading the related thread. Very eye-opening.

But if one of my crashes is 2 inches lower than the other one….I’m going to raise it. It’s just one of those quirks I have, I guess. Then again, I’m the kind of guy who can’t sit in a room with a crooked picture on the wall without getting up and straightening it, so take it for what it’s worth. Wink
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2008, 03:14 PM »

I am first and foremost an entertainer. Yes I'm a musician but its all part of the show.

I'm not one to hurt myself for a little bit of flash on stage and comfort is important, but look at famous entertainers in the past who were known for both music and appearance.  Kiss's costumes probably weren't the best playing attire, nor did Michael Jackson's dance moves help his pitch while bouncing around.  A large part of entertainment has always been flash.

A question that comes to mind is whether you're a background band or a foreground band.  Are you there for easy listening quietly behind conversation or are you the main act or the reason the listener is attending whatever gig?  Is visual important in your specific case? Some yes and some no.
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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2008, 04:13 PM »


Then I think to myself what am I doing? Does it really even matter??? Am I being overly anal about this? Who cares what the kit looks like as long as it's comfortable and I sound good.


Yes, I am overly Anal about this. I like everything pretty much the same everytime and I have been told that I am a bit over the top about it but that is just me.
I also feel like I can play any configuration but if it is my gear and I am doing the set up for me with my gear I can get picky.
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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2008, 04:24 PM »

 
Yeah, I like to come down after setting up and walk in the middle or back of the hall to see what the arrangement looks like - if I have time. But most often I just see what it looked like in the photos that might be taken by a friend or someone. And the same regards sound. You can never tell what you sound and look like unless a decent video is taken of the show. But you get used to this, don't you? Smiley
 
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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2008, 05:49 PM »

I'm not overly concerned with looks.
I will often check out my kit from an audience perspective just for fun. I like the look of gear on stage! But I don't critique my kit's appearance and fiddle with it.
The only thing I do take care about is crash cymbal height. I like them all to be similar heights. It's not only a cosmetic thing, but I worry that if one is a different height I may have to constantly adjust my playing during the gig and give myself an ergonomic problem.

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