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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 06:38 PM »

BUT - it's a gig, not a catalog photo shoot, so I'm not all Rain Man about it.

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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 09:02 PM »

Do I care what I look like when I play? Of course. I don't want to be up on stage if I have a bad case of bed head or something. Roll Eyes I feel if I want to be taken seriously as a musician by band members and audience members, I need to do more than just play well (though that is a major factor in being taken seriously as a musician). I feel I need to *look* like I'm taking what I'm doing very seriously.

Do I care what my drums look like? Somewhat, but it's not as big of a deal to me as how I look personally. I am a little obsessive about keeping my crashes exactly the same height, my toms being parallel and positioned perfectly, and having the front of the kick drum being parallel with the front of the drum riser or drum stage if I am on one, but other than that, I'm not TOO picky most of the time. Sometimes I can be, though. Wink
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2008, 10:09 AM »

I do like my equipment dusted and set up neatly.  Same with the stage area.  For myself, while I don't dress to the 9's, I also like a neat appearance.  Even if it's just a gig requiring tee shirts and jeans, I don't pull the tee shirt out of a wrinkled pile on the floor and put it on. 

I always dread seeing a drummer dragging in equipment in the middle of winter while it's snowing out and all the drums are out of cases and the cymbals are on the stands already (and were tossed in the trunk that way).  After reading "The Drummers Path" I've become a firm believer in respecting your instrument. 

With the clothing thing -  I will say I was just at a gig where the drummer was a bit stocky - not a problem, but he was wearing just shorts.  No shoes and no shirt.  Sitting behind the kit he looked naked and I had a hard time dealing with that image, considering he was backing two very sharp looking female musicians.  Be comfortable, but have a little pride man!   Grin
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2008, 09:41 PM »

Im cosmetics conscious. For the longest time i didnt like the look of my 22'' BD onstage opposed to my 24.  Its a fact, color affects mood, do a google search. My set up wont change positionally if it takes me out of my comfort zone. Ive basically got my 16'' floor tom behind my 14 because it rounds the kit out cosmetically. A two mounted one floor set up reminds me to much of a J.C.Penney catalog kit. The color of a kit can make or break a sale for me. Blue sparkle kits are it!.

When i saw Aerosmith recently Joey used two kits. One was a 4 piece blue sparkle kit with white DW lugs and it was flippin gorgeous! under lights. Blue sparkle tops the list but right up there are crushed glass, champagne sparkle, copper sparkle from Tama, and DW's green to natural Tamo ash. Certain drum colors can depress me. I am a color FREAK!!.
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« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2008, 06:43 AM »

I set up my kits to play!  Once they are in position I do what I can to make them look as pleasing to the eye as possible.  Drums are clean, cords are routed in a neat manner and all fingerprints are wiped from shells, heads, and hardware.  Live music is a little like great food, it sounds/taste better if it looks good too! 
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« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2008, 02:59 PM »

I set up my kits to play!  Once they are in position I do what I can to make them look as pleasing to the eye as possible.  Drums are clean, cords are routed in a neat manner and all fingerprints are wiped from shells, heads, and hardware.  Live music is a little like great food, it sounds/taste better if it looks good too! 

What ways do you like to rout cords/cables, Louis? I usually just wrap them around the mic stand before I plug them in. Is this how you like to do it or are there any other ways you know of that are better? Either way, routing the cables neatly really does help the overall appearance of the stage to look much better.

I love your simile about live music and food, btw!
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« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2008, 07:50 PM »

What ways do you like to rout cords/cables, Louis? I usually just wrap them around the mic stand before I plug them in. Is this how you like to do it or are there any other ways you know of that are better? Either way, routing the cables neatly really does help the overall appearance of the stage to look much better.

A sub snake will make a world of difference.  Either way the cables should be routed neatly.  If using stands, consistency in wrapping helps.  Typically on a boom stand i wrap twice on the boom and then let the cord hang down beside the stand.  The cords are then grouped and routed to the snake head.  I think it looks unprofessional when cords are heaped all over the stage. 
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2008, 12:09 AM »

A sub snake will make a world of difference.

This is gonna sound dumb, but what's a sub snake? Is it one of those little boxes that you plug multiple XLR cables into (like where you use one for the drums, one for the guitars, etc.)? I'm sorry; I just don't think I've EVER heard the term "sub snake."

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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2008, 04:06 AM »

A sub snake will make a world of difference.  Either way the cables should be routed neatly. 
I have to agree with this.  It cleans things up nicely.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2008, 06:57 AM »

Im cosmetics conscious. For the longest time i didnt like the look of my 22'' BD onstage opposed to my 24.  Its a fact, color affects mood, do a google search. My set up wont change positionally if it takes me out of my comfort zone. Ive basically got my 16'' floor tom behind my 14 because it rounds the kit out cosmetically. A two mounted one floor set up reminds me to much of a J.C.Penney catalog kit. The color of a kit can make or break a sale for me. Blue sparkle kits are it!.

Well said, and I agree completely. I definitely care about how my kit looks. Everything has to be comfortable, but I have most definitely been known to sacrifice 100% comfort for something closer to 90% if I feel that it will improve on the look and image I'm going for on stage. I will, for instance, never have a crash right in front of me, because it might obscure my view of the audience and/or band members in front of me (and vice versa, I want them to be able to see my stupid drummer faces too).

I play a standard five piece (10 and 12-inch mounted toms with a 16-inch floor tom), because it's what I'm most comfortable with. However, that also means that I'm very aware that my kit can very easily be made to look like that generic catalogue or "novice" setup. For this reason alone I know that I will probably never be 100% comfortable if I set up my toms on a kick drum mounted tom holder, because I don't want that look to my kit. I'm not proud of it, but I know that when I see drummers with that "standard" 5-piece setup (unless we're talking about house kits and the like, obviously), I really do tend to label them as "novices" right away (even though I've been proven wrong time and time again). I have no idea if a non-drummer (or non-musician) would ever notice how a drum kit is set up, but I don't really care. So in these cases, the look of my kit actually affects my comfort level when playing, even if the setup itself might be 100% ergonomically correct and comfortable.

So, yeah, I will never place anything in a directly uncomfortable position just for looks, but I am willing to make sacrifices up to a certain point if I feel the improvement in looks is worth it.

Did that make any sense at all?
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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2008, 08:53 AM »

Having played in the Army band I became very aware of my look to the audience. I agree with Bermuda that lighter colored drums look bigger when playing out doors. I also agree with Louis that mic cables and snakes need to be neat so there isn't cords all over the place to trip over. I generaly dust off the drums before the gig, and dress appropriate for the place I'm playing. I try to look decent but like "Chip" so I don't overdress the people I'm playing for. Something special requires my drums and myself to look better, but not as such that I look out of place for the gig I'm playing. I will pick my gear used and size of kit to be right for the gig. Some bands require a different look than others. So I do my best to both fit the gig and the players involved. Bottom line, it's importent to me to just look like "Chip" and sound my best for both the audience and the band. I now use zip ties or velcro to secure cables more than tape. Cheaper than tape and looks good as a professional. But you can't beat duct tape to keep things secure to a wood stage.  Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2008, 11:45 AM »

Talking about cords and stage clutter, one of the coolest shows I've seen was John Mellancamp and he had a stage with no clutter at all.

All the mics and instruments were wireless, the monitors were under crates in the stage, the believe the drums mics were wireless as well. The whole stage was clean looking. On top of that everything was a beige color...the mic stands, the drums, the cymbals stands...it was the best stage set up I've ever seen, it was all about the people and the music. I thought this is the way to go.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2008, 06:33 PM »

This is gonna sound dumb, but what's a sub snake? Is it one of those little boxes that you plug multiple XLR cables into

This is what I was talking about.  You can plug all your drum microphones into it and then it plugs into the main snake.  It keeps from running many cables across the stage and is long enough you can run it upstage so nothing shows. 
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2008, 08:29 PM »

Yes, I care very much for aesthetics.  Of course the most important thing, mentioned numerous times by others, is playability and comfort.  I always have that stuff worked out way ahead of time and using a rack is a big bonus because everything stays the sames.  Adjustments are in fractions of inches.  When I'm all set up and have made sure everything is where it's supposed to be and everything is comfortable to play then I do like to look at my setup and the overall stage setup from the audience perspective. 

I find that reviewing videos is very good for critiquing yourself.  I have made many adjustments in my playing and performance from what I observed myself doing.  What looks good as well as what sounds good.
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« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2008, 01:54 PM »

 
BTW (as for looks), how do you move when playing on stage? Do you do any spectacular movements?
E.g. I usually have two crashes on the left and two on the right, just to reach one comfortably at the end of any fill - but I sometimes feel like crashing one with a large and fast movement of my hand on the opposite side of where I end a fill, just for the sake of the show.
 
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« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2008, 02:06 PM »

BTW (as for looks), how do you move when playing on stage? Do you do any spectacular movements?

Definitely. I play in a hard rock band, and for those big rock songs I definitely go for the big arm movements, both for the backbeat hits and the big crashes.
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« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2008, 06:10 PM »

two separate issues being discussed:

Clean, sharp stage environment:  Absolutely. minimal cables, short runs, clean polished well cared for equiment etc?. Absolutely.

Perception of my drum kit to the audience:  Ah, no.  If when I sit in the seat, everything is exactly where I want it, and it sounds the way i want/need it to sound, then the kit looks like it looks. Color may vary, but, as for changing the setup to please the a particlar segment of listeners? No.

then again, my job IS to sell beer.  Bob
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2008, 11:38 PM »

it's a gig, not a catalog photo shoot, so I'm not all Rain Man about it.

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« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2008, 01:12 AM »

I'm not a fan of the whole ultra clean "hide everything you can" stage look. I LIKE seeing players do their thing with their gear, and their cords, and stands. If a guitar is using five guitars - LINE 'EM up by his amp. Don't a roadie - hand delivery them from off stage.

Same bit with keyboard players - using a whole rack of modules and synths? For me, don't hide 'em under the stage and sit there with a single midi controller - while again some keyboard tech does all the setting and re=patching off stage. I loved seeing Keith Emerson moving around his thousand patch cords or watching Chick Corea wrangling four or five instruments with RTF last week.

For myself with drums - I just believe the audience is there to watch me make music - with whatever tools it takes  to do that. And set-up the way I need them set-up to best play the music. So I have no problem playing mis-matched kits if that's what serves the music best. In fact, the fact that the floor tom or one bass drum or whatever is a different color/type/brand than the rest of the kit just makes it more fascinating to the audience - "Hmm, what's deal with that odd colored drum? Oh wow, it really DOES sound different than the other drums".

Form following function - not the other way around. Put it the other way around - leads "all that gear is distracting", then "all those backing musicians are distracting"  and you end up with a George Michael's tour where the band spent 90% of its time playing behind a black-out scrim - so as not to "distract from the visual focus of the stage"

I think people want to see behind the curtain - that's why they are there. To see it done before them.

anyway - my 2 cents...

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« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2008, 06:44 AM »

I'm not a fan of the whole ultra clean "hide everything you can" stage look.
I'm with you Dave, if you got it use it.  Wink
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