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« on: May 19, 2008, 03:02 PM »

hi all at drummer cafe... Smiley
a newbie here after some advice.........
ive just got a 14" by 6.5" luddy "blacrolite" off ebay, and to try and get close to the bonham sound,should i throw on an emperor and crank up?

any tips would be great.
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2008, 09:06 PM »

There is a video of Jeff Ocheltree showing the specifications of Bonhams drums on youtube. He said Bonham used to tune both the batter and the resonating head high pitched, but not so high that it choked the drum.
For me its easier and a heck of alot less frustrating to tune the way the drum sounds to you, as opposed to trying to tune to get someone elses sound.  You will waste alot of time trying to match a tone that has been compressed, recorded in a room different than yours, etc.........

But for what its worth, using a drum dial I tune my batter (Emperor) somewhere in the 90-92 range, and the reso about the same.  Then fine tune to suit your ears.  A set of 42s also helps.  One of the biggest keys is to not choke your wires.  Just a smidge above loose works for me.  Do these things and itll put you pretty close-

However, Bonzo never used a Blackrolite or brass shelled snare. 60s era keystone metal Supra is what he used.  Always.  Contrary to various reports, he never used a Black Beauty either.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 09:40 PM »

...for what its worth, using a drum dial I tune my batter (Emperor) somewhere in the 90-92 range, and the reso about the same.  Then fine tune to suit your ears.  A set of 42s also helps.  One of the biggest keys is to not choke your wires.  Just a smidge above loose works for me.  Do these things and itll put you pretty close-

Yeah, that sounds exactly right - from what I read in A Thunder Of Drums and also extrapolated from a couple guys who actually had Ocheltree tune their kits, Bonham's snare tuning translates to 90-92 batter using a DrumDial (translate as very tight) and 85+ or so on the reso (tight, slightly looser than the batter) and LOOSE wires. I don't think he muffled it at all, but not sure on that one.

However, Bonzo never used a Blackrolite or brass shelled snare.

Yeah, but the Blacrolite uses the exact same aluminum shell as the Supra. The 6.5" Blacrolite is as close as you can get to Bonham without buying a SupraPhonic.

I have my 5" Acrolite tuned as described above (with 42-strand snare wires as well) and even though the sound lacks depth and a little 'oomph', it sounds very close to Bonham's snare sound. Your 6.5" ought to sound almost identical if you fiddle with the above tuning.

This is the video richj mentioned:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LMqHqADnREY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/LMqHqADnREY</a>
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 03:21 PM »

ok....cool.
i havent a drum dial  Sad....but i`ll give it a go. i would have presumed the resonant head would have been cranked way up higher than the batter?...obviously not?
im aware bonzo used a 402,but as the blacro is a 10 lug alumininum in the same size,i thought i could get the it somewhere in the "ball park" as you yanks put it.
cheers!
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 10:42 PM »

ok....cool.
i havent a drum dial  Sad....but i`ll give it a go. i would have presumed the resonant head would have been cranked way up higher than the batter?...obviously not?
im aware bonzo used a 402,but as the blacro is a 10 lug alumininum in the same size,i thought i could get the it somewhere in the "ball park" as you yanks put it.
cheers!
He tuned his snare this way but not the rest of the drums.  All other drums were tuned with the reso heads way higher than the batter heads.
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