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« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2008, 08:57 PM »

Go for it. You could well be onto something.
I guess I'm old fashioned.
I say 'practice makes perfect', not advanced techniques to do with the mind, or motor control. But that's just a personal opinion. To each their own.
  ...  Repetition is good, both from a practice and performance perspective.
(I know none of these decisions are in your hands. I just felt I wanted to say something about it, from my perspective).

Chris,

I appreciate you and Bart and all the other drummers that take the time to pass along their perspective and knowledge!!!

This forum and Bart are a significant reason why I'm still playing at this point.  About 6 years ago I was at a crossroads on whether I would continue to play or not after having played since the early 70's...my motor skills were in a hopeless shambles after chemo and radiation. 

After some dead-ends trying to get an instructor to work with me, I ran across Bart and his video lesson scheme.  I video'd a Sunday service to send his way...almost exactly 5 years ago.  Unfortunately, I had to edit the tape and get it moved to VHS...it was rather disheartening watching me play as you could see something was terribly wrong, but couldn't put my finger on what exactly the problems were, much less what to do.  Bart's video lesson that came back started with two words that changed everything..."Good job."  This was followed, by "There's a few things we need to work on..."  Grin  Fast forwarding to now, I'm probably playing better in a musical sense than at any other time in my life.  You guys and this forum are a part of that...I get a little emotional just recalling all of this.

Getting back to your message...new songs seem to come in spurts (usually somebody's CD was released) and I'm guessing we have a repertoire of several hundred songs at this point.  Some haven't been played in a long time, some are recurring classics, some are just what's happening now in the Church.  If something of a worship music nature is playing on a CCM radio station, then we'll probably end up playing it at least a couple of times.  We ended up playing that Lincoln Brewster song three Sundays in a row...a little unusual as we usually play a new song two Sundays in a row and then it goes into the rotation.  I suspect it will come back up in about a month.  Even more unusual is its an older song and happened to be one I suggested.

I guess this church is a mega-church for this area...we're in kind of gray zone between needing to move beyond whatever volunteer we can get to getting everyone to think more professionally about what we're doing.  I think the Saturday group is just about there...that's the worship leader who does music as a profession so that's his orientation.  OTOH, he's rotating kids in from the program at school...extremely talented and many of the ones playing guitar/singing can play drums better than me from a chops standpoint.  Fortunately, experience and cunning trump youth and enthusiasm every time so I get to play.  Wink

I'm actually off this weekend for a family vacation, so I'm going to be doing some thinking about this science of practice thingie.

--David
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« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2008, 09:00 PM »


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That can be a tricky groove to pull off - for me at least.
Luckily it switches to two 8th notes on the downbeat (bass drum) for the rest of the song.
What to do and how to be efficient?
As David say's, start building a repertoire of basic grooves that you can pull out of the hat and be comfortable with.
The way I did that was to spend about two hours a day when I was a teenager playing along to pop records - like Wings, ABBA, Alice Cooper, Earth, Wind & Fire etc..
The big trick is to concentrate, try to emulate the recorded drum part as closely as you can, try to learn the arrangement of the song (this will teach you a sixth sense as to where a structure is going) and if possible, analyze the why's and wherefore's of the drum part. In other words, why was a particular groove chosen? Where did the drummer place his fills and how complex or simple were they?
It's a waste of time to play along and drift off into your own thing.
There might be some instructional DVD's detailing basic rock grooves.
I was thinking Tommy Igoe's 'Groove Essentials', but I just watched some lessons on YouTube and he quite quickly gets away from the basic grooves and covers advanced funk, jazz and world music.
The basic rock groove should be the focus.
Because as you are finding out, many basic drum grooves can be found in rock and pop, but also country, folk/rock, hip-hop/RnB and worship music!
By the way, if it's any consolation, as I mentioned earlier this is the exact process I'm going through this week. Next week I'm recording an album with a bunch of basic rock grooves. I don't play often any more. So I'm playing along to the demo tracks and checking myself for groove, consistency and musicality.
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« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2008, 10:04 PM »

my motor skills were in a hopeless shambles after chemo and radiation. 

Well you can only do the best you can (be the best you can be) when health issues get in the way.
As to the repertoire, I'm sure I don't know 100 songs well enough to play, let alone 'several hundred'.
It probably comes down to personal taste and where you all agree to compromise.
Keep the songs moving in and out of rotation, with fresh ones always coming along to inspire.
Or concentrate on a smaller core library, practice them, iron out any difficulties, and only then start adding songs at a slower rate.
The latter scenario is for the serious minded musician who wants to sound professional, the former is for people who want to enjoy their playing experience, keeping it fun and fresh.
Ideally, you want a bit of both.  Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2008, 04:37 PM »

As to the repertoire, I'm sure I don't know 100 songs well enough to play, let alone 'several hundred'.

You probably do know a bazillion songs...if you just want to make music and aren't worried about doing an exact cover of a song. Smiley  Once in awhile the younger guys will get to lead the Saturday service when the main guy is gone.  During rehearsal they'll be agonizing (ie wasting time) over getting something perfected like the recording and I'll remind them that if we have to do it note for note exactly like the recording, then we might as well just play a CD and listen to it along with everyone else.


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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2008, 05:09 PM »

sometimes it just happens and other times it kind of evolves.  playing songs over and over, subtle changes creep in .  i try to not think too much while playing.  let it happen.
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« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2008, 05:21 PM »

I'll pick out something, work on it until I'm bored, work on something else and come back to it. At some point I usually get it, but not lick for lick because I want to pound it in my head and remain "Chip" in that process. I've spent my entire life learning music. It's one thing to read music or memorize something in the process. But don't loose track of being "YOU". You'll be a better musician and like yourself in the end. I've found that's what works for me. I have no intention of being the best. Only the best I can be. Sometimes that's a big "I".  Tongue
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