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« on: May 26, 2008, 09:43 AM »

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i want to place a few electronic pads around my kit. unfortunately, my Roland module will only play the sounds it has in it. i would like to record some of my own sounds into a module to trigger them during various parts of my gig.. im not sure if its a drum module that i need, or if i just need a sound module (which can be triggered by a keyboard etc).. all i want is to hit the pad and it plays a note/sound that i have recorded in.. i dont need anything more complicated than that.. would anyone have any suggestions as to what i could buy? (id like to avoid going down the laptop road if thats possible)..
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2008, 10:06 AM »

The Roland SPD-S is probably the most straight-forward way to do what you want. They're typically in the $400-450 range.

Roland SPD-S Sampling Percussion Pad


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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2008, 10:11 AM »

thanks a lot.. ill check it out
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2008, 11:09 AM »

it looks good, but the thing is, i have pads already.. im just really looking for a sound module to plug them into.. if there isnt anything like that available then the Roland SPD-S looks good. but i have individual pads from my electric kit which id like to spread around my real kit..
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2008, 11:23 AM »

Just and FYI, the
Roland SPD-S
does have one 1/4-inch jack which would allow you to plugin an external trigger or trigger pad.

If you want to use your existing triggers, you are going to have to get a Sampler of some sort, or a module, like the SPD-S which has sampling capability.

I have a sampler (AKAI S6000), along with a drumKAT pad with external triggers for my acoustic drums plugged into it. The drumKAT handles all the pads and triggering, then sends the trigger information to the sampler or whatever sound module I have connected to it.

To do what you want to do, it may be cost effective to sell what you currently own and start over with what you need. Trying to force you current set-up to work with a new configuration not be the best way to go about this ... financially speaking.
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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2008, 11:34 AM »

i have a roland td-3 module.. could i go from that to a AKAI S6000 to get what i want? i see what you're saying about the cost effectiveness but id like to keep the electric setup that i have.. i use it for practice all the time. its just that id like to be able to take a couple of pads from it & add them to my normal kit for a gig every now & then..
i dont think the spd-s would suit me if it only has one external input.. (id like to have 3 or 4 pads dotted around my kit)

cheers for all the help by the way...
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2008, 12:49 PM »

The SPD-S will read .wav files from a CF card, so if the Akai will export .wav files, you're all set. Or, just record/edit the files on your computer and send them over on a card.

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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 11:06 AM »

no matter what you do you need a sampler of some sort.  the all-in-one spd-s would probably be the easiest.

if you have a laptop and sequencing software already that includes a sampler (reason/logic/etc or a standalone sampler like kontakt), you could get a cheap midi-usb converter and trigger your software that way.

if you go the spd-s route, you'll have a really straight forward way to trigger gear.  if you go the external sampler way, it's pretty inexpensive (hardware samplers are pretty much completely outdated technology, and can be had for peanuts on ebay), but you'll have to get comfortable with the world of MIDI channels, note #'s, etc... as well as editing samples on a hardware sampler's screen (never than much fun).

the laptop route is pretty much the state-of-the-art; editing samples visually saves tons of time and the visual integration of the software makes bulding sampler instruments hundreds of times easier.

so basically-- many ways to skin this cat, just a matter of finding the one that works best for you.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 10:36 AM »

I agree whole-heartedly with everything that's been said so far, and all of the suggestions have been feasible.

I would just like to add that you need to take a step back and determine what exactly it is that need and if you plan to expand later on.  I know that you want something that is expandable, which is the problem that I've always found with the Roland modules.  I'm a huge fan of samplers (both hardware and software) for this reason.  Some drum modules (including the Alesis DM Pro and, I THINK some of the later, high-end Roland modules) offer basic sampling capabilities, but you typically have to do some sort of work-around.  With the DM Pro, for example (which, IMO is the best module for the price) you have to use their proprietary Sound Bridge software to convert samples on your computer to a different format, then burn them to a blank sim card that can be read by the DM Pro.  Also, memory is extremely limited on these cards, I believe they can hold about 8 megs.  Roland has broken this type of formula with the Spd-S, of course offering a 1/4" jack so you can record sounds directly into the unit itself.

If you just want to record your own sounds and use VERY basic editing functions, then this route would be great.  If you plan to get a little more "under the hood" with your sample editing and if you would like to use a lot of third party samples, it would really make sense to use a sampler.

The great thing about hardware samplers is that they a nearly infinitely stable.  I've used a Yamaha A-4000 for years and I've never had it crash.  The downside about samplers is that they can be a beast to program.  Most of them have a tiny, low-resolution LCD screen (think old-school Game-Boy) and they have a ton of knobs and buttons.  Not to mention the fact that you have to find a way to stay at eye level with a large piece of machinery for long editing sessions.  I think that Akai have really outdone themselves with the S-6000, which includes a higher resolution screen (but still two-tone LCD) and, the true stroke of genius, a detachable editing screen.  Brilliant.  While technically obsolete, many people still use the Akai samplers, so prices on ebay routinely reach $600 dollars or more for the S6000.  Another drawback of hardware samplers is that they tend to use outdated technology, such as SCSI and 3.5" floppy drives and the memory is usually limited; the S6000, for instance, is expandable to only 256 megs of RAM.  Some of the later produced samplers are capable of using CD-ROMs and Zip drives.

The other route that you may want to look at (and my weapon of choice) is computer sampling.  With computer sampling, you have a large, hi resolution, full color screen, vast amounts of memory and storage, a keyboard and mouse for editing, your choice of how many inputs/outputs you have (depending on the type of audio/MIDI interface you choose to use), etc, etc...

I've had great luck playing live with my TrapKAT and DrumKAT palying through my PC running Native Instruments Battery.  You can get a copy of Battery 3 for $200 and a decent audio interface (which is a WHOLE other topic) for anywhere from $100-$300 or more, if you want to spend that much.  Battery 3 ships with a massive sample library including over 100 professional quality kits in a variety of different styles.  It also includes enough editing functions to keep you busy for quite a while, and is easy enough to use that any beginner can jump right in.

Of course, the downside to using a computer is that is isn't as stable as a hardware sampler.  I've gigged quite a bit (twice a week for about three years at my old church gig) using a computer set up, and I've only had it crash once.  (The culprit was a 3d accelerated video card that I REALLY should've had disabled  Roll Eyes ). 

At any rate, that should be enough to digest...just be sure to do your research.  Try to find the solution that's right for you and a piece of equipment that isn't over your head, but something that you can still grow into and possible expand for a few years.

Good luck!!
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