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« on: February 11, 2008, 12:06 PM »

this weekend, i saw an awesome bossa nova trio at an outdoor art show. the guitarist and the female vocalist, an astrud gilberto clone, were amazing.

what got my attention, naturally, was the drummer. he had what looked like a glorified trash can, set on its side, about 14-16 inches in diameter and about 3-4 feet long. it had a drum head on one end and the other was open. he sat on a drummer throne, astride the 'can,' his feet in front of it.

with his right hand, he played a light bossa nova beat with a wire brush on the open edge of the can, while his left hand patted a steady 1-2 bossa nova on the drum head, just like a kick drum.

he had the drum miked at the open end and he used a small cymbal down low there, too, for occasional crashes and riding. because it all ran through a very good pa, it created a perfect percussive sound.

it was a real lesson in how to make so much with so little.

i wondered if his 'drum' was a real brazilian instrument, or something he made himself? i never saw one like it before.
anyone know? Shocked
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 12:27 PM »

If the drum was slightly conical in shape, and single-headed, it was probably a Timbal; found in Bahia. Not to be confused with the Cuban Timbales.

It sort of looks like a large Conga drum ... it can vary in size and can be made of wood or metal with a synthetic, tunable drumhead. Normally played with the hands, like the Atabaque.

The Timbal is typically used in Samba and variations of Samba ... in the Bahia region. Looks like this drummer was experimenting with other possibilities for the instrument.




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« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2008, 10:57 AM »

Trash can...
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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2008, 11:10 AM »

Nathan is probably right ... I don't know why I didn't think that when you said "glorified trash can" you literally meant a trash can! I'm losing it people.

I've played on the Trash Kat ... nice instrument. I've reported on the instrument here at the Drummer Cafe. Use the search function for the main site (not the forum) to learn more.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2008, 08:47 PM »

Or possibly a Rebollo or tan tan, both straight sided long drums from brazil often used in small groups for the variety of sounds you can get, surdo lows and the body is often played sideways as described.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2008, 11:50 AM »

it wasnt literally a trash can. but it appeared to be a metal cylinder about 3.5 feet long, relatively crude looking, laid on its side so the drummer could play a head of some sort with his left hand while his right used a brush on the exterior right side that was open w/o a head.

it really looked homemade, but maybe was modeled on an ethnic drum described above.

it had a really nice tone, whatever iit was.... Cool

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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2008, 01:13 AM »

Or it might literally have been a trash can - seriously.

Carlinhos Brown uses one on occasion, and so do some other Brazilian percussionists.

Any chance you'll see these folks again, and maybe get to talk to the percussionist? I'd be very interested in finding out what this is (sounds like he made it), also seeing a photo.

Edited to add: I wonder if it's a modified (larger) tantan...  http://www.tdsounds.co.uk/product_info.php?pName=tan-tan-reto-rebolo-14-inches-artcelsior

(Or something like the carimbó drums here, but made of metal? http://maria-brazil.org/brazilian_dance_carimbo.htm - click on pics to enlarge.)
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 10:18 AM »

ec2: i think you nailed it.

it sure looked like a tantan, but played on its side, not vertically. the player sat on a stool with his butt over the cylinder and his legs and feet planted over the front.

then, he played both ends of the tantan, with his left beating a bossanova rythym on the head and his right playing a brush on the tantan's metal exterior.

mystery solved.
its harder than it looks. i tried it later myself Cool
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 11:36 AM »

It *is* hard - I've tried it, too (with an actual metal trash can, also with aluminum buckets). I'm not there yet, in terms of coordination and all. Wink

Edited to add: b-cero is the one who nailed this, a few posts above mine.

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 08:00 AM »

Trash can...
Like this?


I need to try that. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 11:54 PM »

it could have just been a small surdo w/ the bottom head removed. the "third" is the one that is "allowed" to improvise in samba and batucada, if one is actually is following traditional practise.

bossa nova evolved out of samba, placing much more emphasis on melody and harmony, less on percussion-based rhythm.

elliot

...i do like that trash can, though...
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