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« on: June 22, 2008, 01:17 AM »

Hey guys I was just wondering if someone could tell me what a 6 means under a series of notes..like say a row of 16Th's, and then there is a six underneath. Is it supposed to be played like a 6Th stroke roll?

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2008, 02:13 AM »


http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/08sixstrokeroll.html `is this what you mean? Or do you mean 6 ( 16th) notes in one quarter note? The latter is a sextuplet.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 10:01 AM »

Yeah I thinks its a sextuplet. How would you play that? Double the speed of a triple?

Thanks again.

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 12:19 PM »

A sextuplets in a 4/4 measure ( i.e. not a 12 / 8 feel) is played as two triplets in one quarter note. Sounds like Ta-te-te Ta-te-te (emphasize is more or less on the Ta). If you would phrase it like Ta-te-Ta-te-Ta-te, this is more like a doubled triplet as it would sound it in 12 / 8 feel.

Ta-te-te Ta-te-te translated to Moeller strokes is like: Down - tap -up , Down - tap -up.
Very helpful timing and groove exercise is: play a 12 /8 feel (against a metronome) and switch to a straight 8th note 4/4 feel after some time. E.g in a AABA or AAB structure: The A plays 12 / 8 groove and the B a straight 4/4 groove or the other way around. Each fourth measure you play a fill with "doubled triplets (in the A) and sextuplets in the B. This is very common in Jazz like music where the A is a Jazz swing and the B is a latin pattern.

Because you change the feel of the groove after the A section it's quite common that you speed up or slow down. I still do this especially at the metronome speed 40 BPM Wink.

Is this of any help?

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 01:06 PM »

Well yes, but it's a little over my head. I'm sure if I was at a level you are at I'd understand. So are you saying that if you play a basic moeller stroke with bothes hands...so kind of like the three quarters with the right and then the three quarters with the left... and of course that would be two triplets. so is that a sextuplet. Can you just expand on the form(the AABA) part? That's whats throwing me off the most..i reallly do need a teacher lol. Thanks again man.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 02:29 PM »

There are many excellent videos on Youtube explaining the Moeller strokes.

A single quarter note subdivided  in a sextuplet: sticking RLRLRL sounds like Ta-te-te-Ta-te-te.

An AABA scheme consists of 32 measures, each letter 8 measures. The AAB or Blues scheme is twelve measures long; each letter represents 4 measures. Choose a std 6/8 blues song of your liking and try to hear it.  The second 4 measures are the same as the first four (that's why AA). The AAB scheme is played throughout the song:

here's an example:
A: Every day, every day .....
A: Every day, every day ......
B: Yeah, you see my worries  .... (if I heard it correctly)

followed by another AAB (try to hear it) than guitar solo  ......  
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/wIaRUVWPuOE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/wIaRUVWPuOE</a>

Why is this important to learn. Many reasons, but one reason is that a drumsolo is  related to the scheme, (counts for any solo BTW).

You mentioned in an another topic that you played along with Igoe's Groove essentials. For some of the tunes Tommy Igoe moves away from the standard logical structures. I don't have this book, but I know this from teacher. Keep this in mind.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 03:01 PM »

Hey guys I was just wondering if someone could tell me what a 6 means under a series of notes..like say a row of 16Th's, and then there is a six underneath. Is it supposed to be played like a 6Th stroke roll?

Thanks Again.

-EML.

Are you referring to drum notation or music notation in general? Six underneath a note is shorthand for a chord in first inversion (third on the bottom). Sextuplets usually have the six or two threes over the grouping.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 04:55 PM »

Thanks so much Zappa, you really helped me out a lot. And yeah Nuclear I understand it now. Thanks to you as well. Zappa, I know what you mean, there are so many different sections in Igoes play-alongs, and they all have at least 5 repeats of like each section, crazy stuff..but just a great tool to learn with and trains you to read. I have another question, since I'm new to charts as well as pretty much everthing else, um, i was just wondering if you know what it means when there is an S with a line through it and the two dots. Tommy has them in a couple of his charts, and new goes into what they mean or do. Thanks again man, seriously...thank you.

-EML.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 08:58 PM »

I was just wondering if you know what it means when there is an S with a line through it and the two dots. Tommy has them in a couple of his charts, and new goes into what they mean or do.

That's called the sign, as in Dal segno. Somewhere near the end of the chart will be a marking either "D.S." or "D.S. al Coda" or "D.S.al Fine". You play through the chart, when you get to the D.S. marking, you jump back to the measure with the sign (the S with the line and the 2 dots). Then, you may play until you get to an indication of "Fine", the finish or end, or there may be a notation "to Coda", when you would jump down to the bottom of the chart and have a few extra measures marked with a Coda sign, that looks something like a gun sight ( a 0 with a cross hair on top of it).

Here's a link to a site I just Googled that explains some of these common music notation things. It's written to guitarists, but most of it applies to all instrumental music:

http://www.acousticguitar.com/lessons/notation/notation.shtml
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 10:08 PM »

Thanks a lot man, I completely understand now, helped me a lot with a play-along I jamming to today. Thanks.

-EML.
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