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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2008, 12:55 PM » |
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Solitary Shell is a complete rip off of a Peter Gabriel song and shouldn't be used as a good example of anything Dream Theater has done. I like Dream Theater, but they should have just sung the same words and called it a cover like they do with their other cover tunes.
Uh, dude..which song is he completely ripping off by Peter Gabriel? I'd like to hear it for myself.  -EML.
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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2008, 01:11 PM » |
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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2008, 02:19 PM » |
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Felix, how long we been e-friends? Have I ever called you unenlightened? You know me better than that.
I Well then you should know I'm a total burnout as well as being totally unenlightend these days. I really hope some day I can get fired up again about progressive playing. I just can't seem to get off on alot of notes right now. The Steve Smith clinic was a shot in the arm but fizzled quickly with me. I zone out on Sirius 35 "chill" channel which is mostly beat box 2/4 and some reggae/shuffle grooves. What happened?  Man I used to play 1/4's to 10's like I was on fire. Now my eyes glaze over if anything more complicated than AC/DC hits my ear drums. *static hum* Must be mid life crisis  Seriously tho' all the drummerworld greats are amazing and I am a fan of great drumming, you know that. I am just tired now of all the uber cats bombarding me with video's, books, land speed records, huge octuple pedal setups and polypolyrhythms- no thanks to guys like Vinnie 
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2008, 02:26 PM » |
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Uh, dude..which song is he completely ripping off by Peter Gabriel? I'd like to hear it for myself.  -EML. Solsbury Hill.
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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2008, 03:53 PM » |
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Well then you should know I'm a total burnout as well as being totally unenlightend these days. I really hope some day I can get fired up again about progressive playing. I just can't seem to get off on alot of notes right now. The Steve Smith clinic was a shot in the arm but fizzled quickly with me. I zone out on Sirius 35 "chill" channel which is mostly beat box 2/4 and some reggae/shuffle grooves. What happened?  Man I used to play 1/4's to 10's like I was on fire. Now my eyes glaze over if anything more complicated than AC/DC hits my ear drums. *static hum* Must be mid life crisis  Seriously tho' all the drummerworld greats are amazing and I am a fan of great drumming, you know that. I am just tired now of all the uber cats bombarding me with video's, books, land speed records, huge octuple pedal setups and polypolyrhythms- no thanks to guys like Vinnie  If it makes you feel any better, I prefer the Vinnie-the-groove-player like the GRP Live! disc over the Vinnie-the-monster like the Karizma Document disc. You're not crazy! You're just coming to the right conclusions, going out the other side of a process. 
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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2008, 05:51 PM » |
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Well then you should know I'm a total burnout as well as being totally unenlightend these days. I really hope some day I can get fired up again about progressive playing. I just can't seem to get off on alot of notes right now. The Steve Smith clinic was a shot in the arm but fizzled quickly with me. I zone out on Sirius 35 "chill" channel which is mostly beat box 2/4 and some reggae/shuffle grooves. What happened?  Man I used to play 1/4's to 10's like I was on fire. Now my eyes glaze over if anything more complicated than AC/DC hits my ear drums. *static hum* Must be mid life crisis  Seriously tho' all the drummerworld greats are amazing and I am a fan of great drumming, you know that. I am just tired now of all the uber cats bombarding me with video's, books, land speed records, huge octuple pedal setups and polypolyrhythms- no thanks to guys like Vinnie  I think it's like when somebody eats the same food that they really, really love every single day. Eventually, that person is gonna get sick of it and want something else! 
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« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2008, 07:01 AM » |
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In my case is was more of a "for what". Do I spend extra time soloing over left foot clave (something I never use) or blues and rock piano and drums (things I use all the time and enjoy).
I think there comes a time when you settle into who you are as a player and what you like to listen to. So like Gaddy's says; I'm at the end of the process at the moment; I think I've come out the other end and *gasp* turned out to be pretty much a "finished" player. Finished as in done studying drums for the most part, finished as in done dreaming about what I can do and where I can go.
The pocket and sounds/rhythm keep me going now. The silence between the cracks, a pulse- yes I'm still here, although so insignficant. That's where I'm at; alone it seems, and hiding from the mega monster drummers.
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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2008, 10:53 AM » |
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I'm not a big fan of Dream Theater but I love Mike's drumming with Neal Morse, especially on the Testimony Live DVD. I know Neal is a big fan of drums and he encourages MP to go overboard at times, which he definately does (and I'm glad!), but he also plays for the songs. There are some very pop moments on this DVD where he plays a straight groove, moments where he uses soft mallets on the toms and also times he uses Hot Rods (or something to that effect).
I just watched the DVD again and I'd say based on that, he has his share of variety. Sure he isn't like Gadd (who is), but he can jump between Neal Morse and LTE or Dream Theater so he's not totally one-dimensional.
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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2008, 02:52 PM » |
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Hey Kevin, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one the forum is messing with.
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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2008, 03:01 PM » |
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Hey Kevin, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one the forum is messing with.
HA!! That is funny, maybe that is a sign of how relevant my post was!?! My connection has been bouncing all day so I'll try to post again.
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« Reply #50 on: June 27, 2008, 03:10 PM » |
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« Reply #51 on: June 27, 2008, 03:37 PM » |
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Your post is invisible to me unless I quote it. Twighlight Zone? Or proof of the awesome power of Vinnie over other drummers.  I tend to be at the same spot. Had the very same conversation with my guitarist buddy last night. We both went through our million notes period, but at some point that stopped doing it for me. One of the best shows I've seen in a long while was the other night when I saw The Smithereens (free concert too). Rhythmically, they don't do anything very complex but they are just a very good band, very tight. Dennis Diken is a great drummer, he is very solid, his time is like a rock, his playing is very crisp and when he wants to he can open up with some pretty strong chops.
I never really appreciated them when they were in their heyday because I was into a lot of notes and stuff, so I'm glad I had this opportunity to see them in a new light.
Not that I'm against anything that Vinnie c. or any of those guys do. In fact for a long while I pretty much only listened to that stuff. (Weckl, Chambers, etc..) The Karizma CD was in my car for a long time and I really liked it (altough I still can't remember where it came from)
I have to admit, these days I start to fade out when I listen to a lot of busy stuff. I guess it is all cyclical, maybe I'll come back around to it again someday, or maybe I'm just getting old and lazy-my mind no longer wants to work at listening. It used to be that I would hear something very busy or something intricate and it was a challenge to figure out. I would hang in there until I got it no matter how long it took, it was a feeling of accomplishment when things clicked. Then at some point it started feeling more like a chore, then it was enough to know I could figure it out if I had to, but preferred not to.
A few years ago when the left foot clave' thing was kind of new (and not yet terribly overused) I started delving into that. That was fun for a while then I realized it wasn't really worth the effort for me. I was in a rut and looking for inspiration so I called one of my old teachers who was always into new and challenging things and told him I was in a rut. He said "well I know what will get you out of it, I've got some really cool left foot clave' exercises that will really open you up." I politely declined.
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« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2008, 05:26 PM » |
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Technology never ceases to amaze me - even when it's not working correctly!
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« Reply #53 on: June 28, 2008, 08:30 PM » |
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Thanks Chris,
For some reason I could see it when I went to modify it but would not show up when I posted...Strange.
Well I was actualyl responding to Felix's post where is said he was kind of burnt on all the notes stuff..Anyway here it is..(I hope)
FELIX WROTE: "I really hope some day I can get fired up again about progressive playing. I just can't seem to get off on alot of notes right now. The Steve Smith clinic was a shot in the arm but fizzled quickly with me. I zone out on Sirius 35 "chill" channel which is mostly beat box 2/4 and some reggae/shuffle grooves."
I tend to be at the same spot. Had the very same conversation with my guitarist buddy last night. We both went through our million notes period, but at some point that stopped doing it for me. One of the best shows I've seen in a long while was the other night when I saw The Smithereens (free concert too). Rhythmically, they don't do anything very complex but they are just a very good band, very tight. Dennis Diken is a great drummer, he is very solid, his time is like a rock, his playing is very crisp and when he wants to he can open up with some pretty strong chops.
I never really appreciated them when they were in their heyday because I was into a lot of notes and stuff, so I'm glad I had this opportunity to see them in a new light.
Not that I'm against anything that Vinnie C. or any of those guys do. In fact for a long while I pretty much only listened to that stuff. (Weckl, Chambers, etc..) The Karizma CD was in my car for a long time and I really liked it (altough I still can't remember where it came from)
I have to admit, these days I start to fade out when I listen to a lot of busy stuff. I guess it is all cyclical, maybe I'll come back around to it again someday, or maybe I'm just getting old and lazy-my mind no longer wants to work at listening. It used to be that I would hear something very busy or something intricate and it was a challenge to figure out. I would hang in there until I got it no matter how long it took, it was a feeling of accomplishment when things clicked. Then at some point it started feeling more like a chore, then it was enough to know I could figure it out if I had to, but preferred not to.
A few years ago when the left foot clave' thing was kind of new (and not yet terribly overused) I started delving into that. That was fun for a while then I realized it wasn't really worth the effort for me. I was in a rut and looking for inspiration so I called one of my old teachers who was always into new and challenging things and told him I was in a rut. He said "well I know what will get you out of it, I've got some really cool left foot clave' exercises that will really open you up." I politely declined.
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« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2008, 01:34 AM » |
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Interesting reading guys. I'm a pretty big prog listener, but never really got into Dream Theater to much. My friend loves them though and he points out some cool stuff when we're listening to them or watching them. Portnoy is a monster player, but he doesnt do anything for me if that makes sense. Its no secret that my real inspirations are drummers like Ringo, Keltner, Blaine, Kunkel, and cats like that (although i'm a Kansas freak and love Phil Eharts playing), so I would say that even though I listen to a good bit of prog, i'm not really blown away by it anymore.
As Felix and a few others noted, i'm over that million beats a second stuff. I saw Blondie the other night (met Clem Burke too,,,really, really cool guy) and I was anxious to see them play 11:59 because the drumming is so fast and intense. Well they played it and Clem 'Ringo'd it down' which means he just played a basic version. Just didnt do all the fills. I was bummed at first and then I thought to myself, hell, he's older now and besides probably being sick of playing that song, why should he have to play it like he did 30 years ago. It still sounded good. Like us all,,,,he matured too.
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« Reply #55 on: June 30, 2008, 12:26 PM » |
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Hi Kevin. Good post. I agree totally  We have to do what we have to do to make drumming enjoyable for us- no matter what it is. Cause if we don't it will make one crazy... right? I was watching VH1's history of rock n roll series this weekend some and really enjoyed seeing the punk era again. I love the raw angst and angry frustrations of the human condition expressed as a rock n roll song. I love a band that truly is a band and not a bunch of session cats getting together to make the next prog record then disband. Honesty in music, devoid of ego transends talent technique I think. YMMV 
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