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« on: June 29, 2008, 07:09 AM »

I'm starting this thread to supplement, discuss and open dialogue regarding the video lesson I recently created for the linear groove on "Cissy Strut". The lesson is currently airing on DCTV in the Legendary Drum Licks segment.

One thing I wanted to point out in my notation of the groove in the A section of the tune is that this the basic groove that Zigaboo plays. If you listen (carefully) to the entire track as recorded for The Meters 45 single release, you'll notice that Zigaboo sometimes plays an unaccented HiHat note on beat 1 of the measure. He also occasionally  leaves out and/or ghosts some of the unaccented notes that you see in my notation. But all in all, the notated groove is what is being played over 90% of the time during the A sections.

I could have notated these occasional beat 1 HiHat notes in parenthesis, but they are so random (sound almost accidental), that I wanted to just leave them out.

If you don't own the original recording of the single release of "Cissy Strut", you can purchase a download of the tune from Amazon by clicking HERE.

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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 02:32 PM »

VIP Members can download a play-along track that I created for "Cissy Strut", it's located in the Resources section here at the Drummer Cafe.

I took the first 4 measures of "Cissy Strut", looped it for about 3-minutes, and used it to study and practice the groove. This is the same track I used when making this video lesson. Anyway, this play-along track is available to you if you'd like to use it to practice the A section of "Cissy Strut" for yourself. If you want to get into how Zigaboo performed this groove, especially the feel of the tune (which is where it's at), playing along with this track will really help! 
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 03:28 PM »

Having played this song a few times, I can attest it's more difficult to get the feel than merely playing the notes. It's New Orleans funk, so it's somewhere between straight rock and swing. I've heard drummers play this too far one way or the other and the groove flopped, IMO. ... well, the guitarist has a big role in that, too, so I don't want to put it all on the drummers. It's one of those things I think you have to recognize the Meters have their own feel. Zig has his own feel when he plays with those guys. It's unique even to New Orleans-type drumming. Just listen to Hey Pocky A-Way and how they approach the shuffle. It's a more of a zydeco blues shuffle. Makes one wish he or she grew up on the bah-you. Wink

Jordan and Moore were killin', as one would expect. Thanks for including those, Bart! So when are we going to get a lesson on Look-Ka Py Py? hehe
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 09:50 AM »

If you want to really get into what's happening in this groove ... try listening to each individual part. One thing that I noticed is that the Kick drum part is more straight sixteenth-notes with little or no "lilt" to it. The HiHat part is the key element in getting the same feel that Zigaboo did in the original recording.

Also, as I demonstrate in the video lesson, you can take this groove and apply it in a lot of different ways. If you are playing this tune with your own band, you could play the groove straight or swung or anywhere in between. Just keep in mind that everyone has to find their place in the groove and work together in order for it to feel good.

Most important ... whatever feel you are establishing for the tune (any tune for that matter), you need to maintain throughout the song. The exception would be an intentional feel change from you or the entire band. Practice the feel to the point that it's part of your vocabulary. If you are uncomfortable with the feel, and try to pull it off live, you run the risk of moving the note placements (eg. straight then slightly swung) and destroying the feel.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 11:02 AM »

Hey Bart,

This might not be the correct place to post this (I'm inexperienced when it comes to forums), but I really enjoyed your lesson about the Cissy Strut on the latest edition of Drummer.Cafe.TV.

Your teaching practices are very effective, because you delve into and show every angle of a single topic: in this case, the Cissy Strut groove.

Keep up the great work!

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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 12:10 PM »

I really enjoyed your lesson about the Cissy Strut on the latest edition of Drummer.Cafe.TV.

Your teaching practices are very effective, because you delve into and show every angle of a single topic: in this case, the Cissy Strut groove.

Keep up the great work!


Thank you Andy ... glad you dug the lesson!
Coming from another instructor/educator, your kind words and encouragement mean a lot.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 12:46 PM »

Thank you Andy ... glad you dug the lesson!
Coming from another instructor/educator, your kind words and encouragement mean a lot.

Andy is part of a secret agenda among those of us here at DC to move you and your operations to the East Valley, Arizona. Wink
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 02:42 PM »

Has anyone ever seen Steve Gadds version of Cissy Strut when he played it in the army? Its on his Zildjian DVD. When he was given the life time achievement award. Such a solid video, if you have the DVD it's under special features.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 11:40 PM »

Andy is part of a secret agenda among those of us here at DC to move you and your operations to the East Valley, Arizona. Wink

Aw Gaddy, you had to go and blow our cover didn't you!   Wink 

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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 11:44 PM »

Thanks for breaking down this great groove in the DCTV drum lesson.  As I listened to your various interpretations I think you concept of playing the strong notes with your right stick and weak (unaccented) notes with the left really has merit.  I could hear a noticeable change in the feel when you did this.  When you can actually see Stanton Moore in the Galactica vid, he is using both hands on HH and snare similarly to what you  explained.  I have long been a fan of using both hands and mixing up the sticking when playing linear patterns.  As much as we practice to make our hand even, there is always seems to be a natural accent with one hand.  Maybe it has to do with "right-handedness" or perhaps our natural internal groove that shows up when we don't try to suppress it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2008, 10:11 AM »

Great thread Bart.  Will your notation for this ever be printable or downloadable?

It seems you have really been into grooves between duple and triple meter recently?  Or has this been a long time study/preference of yours.

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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2008, 10:30 AM »

Great thread Bart.  Will your notation for this ever be printable or downloadable?

It seems you have really been into grooves between duple and triple meter recently?  Or has this been a long time study/preference of yours.


I will be making a printable lesson page on this in the next few weeks. Others have notated it, like On The Beaten Path ... but in that book the notation is incomplete (ie. wrong).

As far as grooves that fall between the perfect duple/triple ... I guess my interest comes from all the years I spent in Texas playing shuffles. I'm a student of groove and feel more than chops.  Grin

What one might perceive as "feel" often times comes from the note placements. I'm drawn to "feel" more than anything, and grooves that aren't metronomically perfect duple or triple seem to really interest me. Dare I say the majority of the Legendary Drum Licks (that everyone wants to learn) fall into this category. It's not just the notation or coordination of the groove ... but the feel that one player has over another.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 04:51 PM »

Andy is part of a secret agenda among those of us here at DC to move you and your operations to the East Valley, Arizona. Wink
Yes, I admit it. I am part of a secret Move-Bart-to-Arizona campaign. Why would he want to live in Nashville anyway? It's a lovely 110 degrees here today. I fried myself some eggs on my driveway this morning.

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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2008, 08:21 AM »

I will be making a printable lesson page on this in the next few weeks. Others have notated it, like On The Beaten Path ... but in that book the notation is incomplete (ie. wrong).

As far as grooves that fall between the perfect duple/triple ... I guess my interest comes from all the years I spent in Texas playing shuffles. I'm a student of groove and feel more than chops.  Grin

What one might perceive as "feel" often times comes from the note placements. I'm drawn to "feel" more than anything, and grooves that aren't metronomically perfect duple or triple seem to really interest me. Dare I say the majority of the Legendary Drum Licks (that everyone wants to learn) fall into this category. It's not just the notation or coordination of the groove ... but the feel that one player has over another.

Very original and unique direction brother.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2008, 10:00 AM »

Reminds me of the "Funky Drummer" break. Everyone can play the correct sequence of notes, but nobody seems to capture the groove like Stubblefield did it. Right in the cracks and absolutely groovin'.
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2008, 09:33 PM »

Steve Jordan approaches the tune a little differently in his performance on the cocktail kit with John Mayer (see video clip).

Steve reverses the accents in the first two HiHat notes in the groove. This placed the accent on the AND of 1. Steve also leaves out the sixteenth-note after beat 3. Both of these changes in the groove definitely makes it easier to play when working at faster tempos than the original tempo of the "Cissy Strut" single release, which was 88 bpm.

Also Steve plays all the HiHat notes with the right hand; left hand on Snare.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 11:04 PM »

For those that missed the video lesson on DCTV, I've archived and expanded the lesson here:

http://www.drummercafe.com/content/view/246/19/

There's also a play-along track for VIP Members who wish to work on the groove with the original feel.

http://www.drummercafe.com/content/view/234/40/
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