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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 04:08 PM » |
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Super excellent. I have a few comments on the finer points, so I shall return with a bit more time to spare.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 04:52 PM » |
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i dunno know much, but i know good when i hear it. very good stuff. in fact, the whole band is nicely solid. 
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2008, 05:54 PM » |
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Yeah, everyone in the band is solid. I'm sure others on here will find things to critique though (it's not my regular job). You seemed to be playing the John Mayer note for note. What's the purpose? Why have you filmed and recorded these? If you are playing the songs live I would add a few more fills (just a few!). If you are playing these songs for fun I wouldn't play them note for note, replica style either (like the floor tom note in the intro for example). So, I'm interested to know where you are all going with this. But some fine playing all the same.
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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2008, 06:10 PM » |
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Rock solid and tasteful. Well done!
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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2008, 06:31 PM » |
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I'm a bit confused. Are you playing to the original track, e.g. vocals? I can't see anyone singing. Which is you, which is another track? Any post processing here? What are you hearing in the headphones - each other, click, another track??
As others have said, it sounds very fine. I really like the guitar on the first song, however, it seems that at the end of the song, the guitar is doing fine but the vocal dies out or loses energy - that kind of thing makes me feel like the singer is getting tired of the great guitar playing on and on IMHO...
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2008, 09:02 PM » |
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Yeah, everyone in the band is solid. I'm sure others on here will find things to critique though (it's not my regular job). You seemed to be playing the John Mayer note for note. What's the purpose? Why have you filmed and recorded these? If you are playing the songs live I would add a few more fills (just a few!). If you are playing these songs for fun I wouldn't play them note for note, replica style either (like the floor tom note in the intro for example). So, I'm interested to know where you are all going with this. But some fine playing all the same.
Thanks for the comments. I recorded these songs for a school application. I played them pretty much note for note for that reason. I know I didn't have to but I wanted to play it safe. Also I was "the producer" in the session because I was paying it from my own pocket. I chose these guys because I knew that they're going to nail the songs in the short amount of time that we had. It was basically a two or three takes per song. I'm a bit confused. Are you playing to the original track, e.g. vocals? I can't see anyone singing. Which is you, which is another track? Any post processing here? What are you hearing in the headphones - each other, click, another track??
As others have said, it sounds very fine. I really like the guitar on the first song, however, it seems that at the end of the song, the guitar is doing fine but the vocal dies out or loses energy - that kind of thing makes me feel like the singer is getting tired of the great guitar playing on and on IMHO...
All instruments are played live in the studio. The singer and the acoustic guitar are in different booths. No processing exept a quick mix and some mastering. All done in one day because money was an issue and it's only a demo. No backing tracks. I'm playing to a click in the first song but I'm the only one listening to it. That is one of the reasons why it's not quite grooving. I should have let go of the click and just go with the band. The other two songs are recorded without a click.
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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2008, 09:16 PM » |
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Good stuff. The drums sounded great too (tuning and recording technique). Well done. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2008, 09:51 PM » |
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Those are way way better than a demo/school application in my opinion. A solid band, good sound and very solid, groove oriented playing. I enjoyed them!
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2008, 11:24 PM » |
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Very cool! and nice choice of songs. What school are you attending?
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2008, 11:57 PM » |
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OK, I've got lots of comments.
You've got a great drum sound, you're approach to a balanced performance sound is cool and professional, you're time is studio-quality. But this is an audition and you've chosen songs that are (a) not technically challenging, (b) played note-for-note like the original and (c) seem almost calculated to appeal to LA studio musicians. You've probably been well taught to choose good taste over chops, but you also have to bear in mind you're competing with guys who are breaking out the Weckl tracks and what have you. It is a competition. Technical ability counts for more in this scenario than it would in a professional situation, as good or as bad as that may be. If I were an admissions officer looking at this tape, I'd probably be asking myself if you've shown me your facility and ability to benefit. If you're just wanting to be a go-to pop drummer ... you're there. I'm not certain what more LAMA could do for you beyond introducing you to lots of other great musicians.
I will say this: If I'm an admissions officer and just watched 40 awful attempts at Weckl, your submission is likely to be a breath of fresh air. At least here is someone making music with other musicians. In seminary, it's what we called "majoring in the majors," which is another way of saying you drove home the primary purpose of being a musician. There's much to be said for giving an A+ performance on the primary stuff. In the professional world, let's call that 98 percent of the job.
What you're counting on with these recordings is they're seen as clever and tasteful and hoping that trumps audacious ability. You may also have audacious ability, you just haven't shown it to me here. If I'm just looking at this overall performance with the mind of a critical judge, I would like to see you give me 60 seconds of a solo or some other performance piece that shows me you're not going to be overwhelmed by, say, a course on Brazilian and Afro-Cuban percussion with Ralph Humphrey, or a master class with Joe Porcaro.
That's just my opinion based on what you said you were attempting to do here. If I were a producer in Helskinki, I'd be getting your name and number for future reference. Frankly, this is a better clip file than an audition.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2008, 07:43 AM » |
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Gaddabout,
Thanks for the comments. I hear you. This might not be the kind of audition tape that the teachers are looking for. I was given different styles to choose from and I chose these three because I felt that they are something that represent the better side of my playing. I am not as versatile as I'd like to be and that's why I want to study more. I think of myself as a song/groove oriented player but that's not all I want to be able to do. I mean, I can blushda if it's absolutely necessary but most of the time it's not. As much as I love the Vinnies and Daves of the drumming world, that's not how I play. Not that I could even if I tried.
It's true what you said about competition but I honestly did not think about that at all when we were recording these songs. I was too busy worrying about all the other stuff that day. Maybe I should've included some kind of solo piece but too late to think about that now. And I'm not that good at that anyway.
I have already decided that I'm going. I have to see how it's done in the real world and not just read about it from a drum magazine. If the school feels like a waste of time, I can always quit and move on. It is a big thing for me financially but this is something I have to do. A year off from my daily life here and change of scenery will be nice as well. And I'm going to be shedding my ass off while I'm there. Maybe the phone will start ringing some day...
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 08:34 AM » |
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I don't say this often, but I think you are on a good track to success if this is what you want to do. I say that whether you get to LAMA or not. If you do go, make sure you spend as much time with non-drummers as possible. The guys who spend every waking moment in the woodshed are the ones who end up cursing their school because they often end up with few worthwhile contacts once they're out of school. I say this not just to students going to music school. Part of the college experience is going to getting to know people not like you. Part of the LAMA/MIT/Berklee/whatever experience is meeting people who will be doing the hiring/firing in the future.
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 08:18 PM » |
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Those tracks sound Great. Way to go.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 08:13 AM » |
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I don't say this often, but I think you are on a good track to success if this is what you want to do. I say that whether you get to LAMA or not. If you do go, make sure you spend as much time with non-drummers as possible. The guys who spend every waking moment in the woodshed are the ones who end up cursing their school because they often end up with few worthwhile contacts once they're out of school. I say this not just to students going to music school. Part of the college experience is going to getting to know people not like you. Part of the LAMA/MIT/Berklee/whatever experience is meeting people who will be doing the hiring/firing in the future.
We're rooting for you!
Gaddabout! Great solid advise. I have been in this business for 33 years now and you are speaking the truth. About the drumming. Bravo! I would have liked to see a little more from you but I also understand that overplaying could have been a problem. I have worked in enough bands to understand that complementing the band as a drummer is what you want to do by NOT overplaying. On the other note, I have to agree that a little more would have been good because of the reason for the tape. good luck in the future.
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