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« on: July 09, 2008, 08:03 PM »

      Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has learned this song, I've been working on it for the past 3 days now. It's so tough, Bonham changes the beat so many times, does anyone know of any tips to help me memorize all these beats? This song is really really getting on my nerves, I haven't had this much trouble learning a song in so long. Is this considered a tough song? because I really don't know what to do.

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2008, 12:11 AM »

...I've been working on it for the past 3 days now. It's so tough, ...

3 days!  Let's see...Led Zeppelin was released on January 12, 1969.  I probably bought the album (vinyl, baby!) on January 13th, 1969 and have been working on Good Times, Bad Times even since!!!  Bonzo is a drum lesson every time you hear him.

Probably the best way to master the various "beats" is to write them down in whatever notation you are comfortable with....maybe it's notes, words, pictures, whatever.  Write out a "chart" with all of the verses, choruses, etc. and the accompanying beat that goes along with each section.

BTW...Everytime I hear the opening phrase of GT,BT I am taken back to the first time I heard the song, when I dropped the needle on that disc (inhaling the smell of a fresh, new LP) and was totally blown away by what I heard.  Two hits on the guitar followed by the hi-hats; two more hits and faster hi-hats; more guitar hits...add cowbell; more hits then those wicked bass drum doubles...
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2008, 10:16 AM »

You're still working on this song man? Like I can get past the intro fine, after that all those beats are killing me; however I'm not having trouble with the double bass drum rolls(single pedal). I would write it out, I just dont know how.



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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2008, 01:54 AM »

      Hey guys, just wondering if anyone has learned this song, I've been working on it for the past 3 days now. It's so tough, Bonham changes the beat so many times, does anyone know of any tips to help me memorize all these beats? This song is really really getting on my nerves, I haven't had this much trouble learning a song in so long. Is this considered a tough song? because I really don't know what to do.

-EML.

OK - I may be opening a major can of worms here...

IMO while learning or memorizing every note here may be an excellent technical exercise, to then apply the same approach to actually performing this song would be doing this music a great disservice.

Bonham's performance on "Good Times, Bad Times" once you are are past the intro is based on really only three patterns and the third is the sort of "regular time" with fills of the chorus. The other two patterns are first, the pattern with two 16th's in the LH on 2 and two 1/8th's on 4; and the second being the famous 16th triplet HH-BD-BD-HH-BD-BD-etc pattern.  :-)

Again IMO learn those two patterns - explore them, play with some variations (like Bonham's tom variation of the first pattern in the 2nd verse) of them, get comfortable with them, play them at different tempos, goof around with them....

Then come back to the song, knowing the intro, knowing the chorus and where the fills sort of are - and knowing the structure of the song arrangement and play/improvise/apply what you've learned.

I'm not saying don't pay attention to Bonham, but I think the thing to be learning is a sense of how he came to play each thing he played through that song - and I think that only comes by understanding his process as much as the end result.

Because make no mistake - Bonham WAS improvising - he was not playing each take exactly the same - he wasn't even thinking in those terms. He would have been looking to play a great take - but each version would have been very different on a note by note basis.

He was basically doing what I described earlier - "I've got an intro idea - this one main verse pattern and that cool busy variation thing that seems to work (the 16th triplet BD thing) and a concept for the chorus - LET'S PLAY!.

To me - THAT's learning "Good Times, Bad Times"

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2008, 05:25 AM »


He was basically doing what I described earlier - "I've got an intro idea - this one main verse pattern and that cool busy variation thing that seems to work (the 16th triplet BD thing) and a concept for the chorus - LET'S PLAY!.

To me - THAT's learning "Good Times, Bad Times"



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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2008, 09:16 AM »

Thanks David, I will definitely try that. Sometimes I just can't get the play note for note thing out of my system. Thanks again.

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2008, 09:23 AM »

OK - I may be opening a major can of worms here...

IMO while learning or memorizing every note here may be an excellent technical exercise, to then apply the same approach to actually performing this song would be doing this music a great disservice.

Bonham's performance on "Good Times, Bad Times" once you are are past the intro is based on really only three patterns and the third is the sort of "regular time" with fills of the chorus. The other two patterns are first, the pattern with two 16th's in the LH on 2 and two 1/8th's on 4; and the second being the famous 16th triplet HH-BD-BD-HH-BD-BD-etc pattern.  :-)

Again IMO learn those two patterns - explore them, play with some variations (like Bonham's tom variation of the first pattern in the 2nd verse) of them, get comfortable with them, play them at different tempos, goof around with them....

Then come back to the song, knowing the intro, knowing the chorus and where the fills sort of are - and knowing the structure of the song arrangement and play/improvise/apply what you've learned.

I'm not saying don't pay attention to Bonham, but I think the thing to be learning is a sense of how he came to play each thing he played through that song - and I think that only comes by understanding his process as much as the end result.

Because make no mistake - Bonham WAS improvising - he was not playing each take exactly the same - he wasn't even thinking in those terms. He would have been looking to play a great take - but each version would have been very different on a note by note basis.

He was basically doing what I described earlier - "I've got an intro idea - this one main verse pattern and that cool busy variation thing that seems to work (the 16th triplet BD thing) and a concept for the chorus - LET'S PLAY!.

To me - THAT's learning "Good Times, Bad Times"

dc

More like a can of delicious gummy worms, David. Mmmm gummy worms....

Fantastic post (and spot-on).
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2008, 01:34 PM »

I can remember workin' on this tune a lot when i was in high school.  I would come home everyday after school, throw on the walkman (wow.. remember walkmans?) & start shredding.  I don't really have any detailed advice on how to approach it.  All I can say is that REPITITION was the key for me.  The more I played with it, the more comfortable I felt about it. It'll happen for ya it just takes time. GTBT is a fun tune to work up so do just that...have fun.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2008, 09:47 PM »

One of my favorite songs to play.  Sorry, but I have no advice.  I learned it 30 years ago, and don't remember how I did it except probably by rote.

That said, just work on getting the feel right at first, and then on getting the licks exact.

In the meantime, enjoy the groove, and rock the $h1T out of it.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2008, 10:14 PM »

Yeah, I'm trying guys. It's really tough, although Davids suggestions helped me a lot today. I was trying to learn a song I didnt even know the form of  Roll Eyes lol.



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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2008, 08:44 PM »

Really nice song to play... it's a lot of fun... i just tried to play it when i was younger because of all those "double bass beats with one pedal" and when i managed to make it without too much effort, i was thrilled Smiley. it's a pretty good exercise. it is also my favourite zeppelin song and it brings a lot of memories back from my younger days. (it's not that i'm "old", im 20 now, but... i used to be younger Cheesy).

btw: i'm new here... i found out this forum, i have read a lot of topics and it is very interesting, congrats!

btw2: i'm from Uruguay (a little country in south america in which our native language is spanish), so... be patient with my English skills  Cool
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