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Of those who do, this guy has got to be one of the best:
http://www.youtube.com/v/O0N4Jf1OQNsAny others? Slim Jim Phantom and Mr A are a given.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2008, 04:34 AM » |
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Yeah, that guy is so talented it's sick. Singer, songwriter, great drummer. I hate him!  No, seriously, I LOVED Jellyfish. Their first album is one of my favorite recordings of the entire 90s. He's definitely the best stand-up drummer I've ever seen. I saw them open for the Black Crowes in Hollywood, and they were phenomenal.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2008, 05:13 AM » |
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Cool thread.
I loved that. Great stuff. That guy can Sing.
So, would he operate the high hat if we saw him use it, or would it be locked down?
Are there special bass and hi hat pedals that make this sort of thing easier to do, or is it just the drummer getting comfortable standing up and using the same pedals?
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2008, 05:19 AM » |
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I mentioned Mr Acrolite because I believe he has a cocktail kit ( a stand up drum set-up). I've done stand up drumming a couple of times. I'm not sure I really enjoyed it, but I decided to fix my hi-hats to a slightly sloshy distance apart and ignore the pedal.
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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2008, 05:58 AM » |
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Great band. Inspiring.
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2008, 06:04 AM » |
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Cool thread.
I loved that. Great stuff. That guy can Sing.
So, would he operate the high hat if we saw him use it, or would it be locked down? I think he's just using a closed hihat in that video. On the record you hear some opening and closing of the hihat, so I presume he does his recording sitting down at a more conventional kit. Are there special bass and hi hat pedals that make this sort of thing easier to do, or is it just the drummer getting comfortable standing up and using the same pedals?
It's the latter. For a cocktail drum (where the bass drum is essentially the bottom head of a really tall floor tom), you need to reverse the pedal so that it strikes upward when you step on it, but a lot of pedals can be converted in that manner. The Jellyfish drummer just uses a conventional pedal. The main thing I find when I play my cocktail kit is that my left foot and leg get sore, since they're supporting more of my weight.
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2008, 08:22 AM » |
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Wow - I've always dug the Jellyfish, but a) never knew the singer was also drumming and b) never knew he played standing up?!?
I've tried this on two occassions - just sitting in on a cocktail kit, and it just felt strange and I never got comfortable... although 2 attempts isn't really a good amount of time to judge.
This guy certainly does it well and plays some interesting stuff to boot!
Thanks Chris!
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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2008, 09:35 AM » |
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That's some fine drumming, but watching him makes my back hurt.
Steve Jordan does a lot of cocktail kit work that is primo.
I'm surprised we haven't seen more of this since Slim Jim. Maybe people just associated with rockabilly and wrote it off. I can see it becoming more conventional down the road as drummers look to separate themselves from the pack.
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2008, 10:35 AM » |
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I've played standing up before using a conventional set-up, not a cocktail kit, but that has been for pit-work and multi-percussion set-ups for the most part. There's one artist that I work with where I would LOVE to stand up to play. It would totally go with the overall vibe of the music. The only problem is that I need both feet; right on Kick and left playing an assortment of Foot Shakers/Rattles, Tambourine, etc. If we ever go back to using some loops, or have someone who can play Shaker/Tambourine in time and groove with me, maybe I can try a set-up where I'm standing. But we need gigs first, so thinking along those lines with this artist is pointless right now.  I'm used to standing because I've done a lot of large percussion set-ups, adding foot-operated instruments such as a small Kick/Surdo/Ngoma drum, Cowbell, Tambourine, Wood Block, and electronic triggers. Here's a thought/question ... if you use a high stool, like what a Timpanist might use, is that consider standing even though you are leaning on the stool more than putting all your weight on it. Doing that would allow both feet to be used, but in a way, other than look/appearance, it sort of defeats the purpose of standing. I like standing because it gives a lot of mobility and makes it easy to move to various parts of the set-up or stage. For Jellyfish, having the lead singer, who happens to be a drummer, standing is VERY smart and really adds to the energy as well as overall vibe of the band.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2008, 01:52 PM » |
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I stand up to play quite a bit live, just part of the stage show, I do it on any beat that has a simple single kick pattern… It’s a different muscle group, but no huge deal once you get used to it… I do it in parts of both of the ISOR videos, [Edited]Only one it seems, see below, so I have deleted the other one - N[/Edited] you can see them here if you are interested :-
http://lads.myspace.com/videos/myspacetv_vplayer0005.swf?m=37792&type=videoI have to say though, I wouldn't do it in the studio… Cheers  N
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2008, 02:06 PM » |
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Whoops, just noticed I am not actually doing it in the ‘Coping With Your Ginger Secret ‘video,  but I do, play it live on that song honest guv… I do it on the section 9 bars in where I am playing ¼ notes on the China, Kick & Floor Tom on 1 & 3 & Snare on 2 & 4 … Sorry about that.. I am doing it on the shower video though!  N
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2008, 07:38 PM » |
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This is still memorable for me, though I doubt Chris was a fan:
http://www.youtube.com/v/C4IGm9E4W9g
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2008, 09:09 PM » |
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« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2008, 10:01 PM » |
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Jellyfish is awesome. Thanks for posting the clip, Chris. Is it just me or do his drums sound freakin' incredible? Especially that Black Beauty! 
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« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2008, 11:58 PM » |
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Victor DeLorenzo of the Violent Femmes stands up when he plays.
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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2008, 12:57 AM » |
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Is it just me or do his drums sound freakin' incredible? Especially that Black Beauty!
The drum sound is GREAT. Jellyfish always have a good drum sound. I thought it might be a BB snare, but couldn't see clearly on my screen. Thanks for the confirmation. Yeah the snare sounds great too. This is one of my favourite Jellyfish tracks. Like Supertramp had a drummer with attitude.
http://www.youtube.com/v/dkfdLIx_kTY
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2008, 06:42 AM » |
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Great thread.
I have always loved Slim Jim's work with the Stray Cats.
I must explore more Jellyfish....
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2008, 08:22 AM » |
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I must explore more Jellyfish....
Definitely do that. Their debut album is a flat-out classic.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2008, 09:11 AM » |
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I thought it might be a BB snare, but couldn't see clearly on my screen.
There's a zoom in on the snare in that clip @ 2:21. Blue/Olive badge with rounded tips. Late 70's BB, perhaps?
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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2008, 12:43 AM » |
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Amazing that this is the first I've heard of Jellyfish. Cool stuff!
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2008, 02:01 AM » |
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Am I hearing a Squeeze influence there, Chris?
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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2008, 04:27 AM » |
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Mostly I hear The Beatles, Queen and Supertramp, the latter two not being faves of mine, but it works in the Jellyfish stew.
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2008, 06:22 AM » |
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Mostly I hear The Beatles, Queen and Supertramp, the latter two not being faves of mine, but it works in the Jellyfish stew.
Yeah, but I think Gaddabout may be right - I can see some Squeeze, possibly. Bottom line is that Jellyfish showed a major awareness of British rock from generations past, and wove it into a marvelous musical mix. I'm really sorry the band didn't do better, but they came out at a time when musical tastes were shifting drastically, and I think they made a strategic error by adopting a look that quickly dated them, with silly cat-in-the-hat top hats and psychedelic clothes. It made the band seem trivial and trendy, which is a shame, given the weight and quality of their music.
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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2008, 10:45 AM » |
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Standing would be very strange for me...at least during more intricate drum parts. I think i like the visibility but it goes against my traditionalistisism. Theres something night clubbish, cocktail loungish about it. If i see Joey Kramer doing it i wont look at Aero the same way...hmmm?. Befor you know it Eddie Van Halen will be on a Roc&Soc...it aint right!.
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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 12:58 AM » |
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Another interesting stand-up "hybrid" drummer is Future Man (Roy Wooten) with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. 
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