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First of all, my thoughts to Travis Barker and family... For years i have been playing my kit at the same height. Ive recently been thinking of lowering it a bit, i feel that its to high i cant reach the rack to well and i use my arms rather then my wrists, does anyone else find this, aswell as can someone suggest me a good snare stand and stool that can be placed quite low, i find the snare stand on most standard kits is too high!
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« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2008, 07:18 AM » |
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A few things play into kit height. In general I'll set my bass drum legs so that the front is roughly an inch off the floor. I want the front of the bass drum to be just a little higher than when the footpedal is attached. Reason being, to put downward pressure on the legs to keep the kit from sliding forward as I play. When playing an older set it would slide forward much easier than the newer sets. The bass drum hardware is better now than back in the 60"s. Getting the bass drum legs angeled right is important as your bass drum pedal and high-hat staying put. How your toms are mounted onto the tom holders is also important. Some will swivel the toms on a ball and other mounts use notches. Get you toms angled right for "you". Not too steep as to allow the tom to hit the bass and scratch the drum. (There's certain tom angle which is right for "you".) Next get the stool in the right spot and height with your legs angled comfortable again for "you". I will generaly get my toms and stool the right heigth, angle, and place first. Then my floor tom at the right heigth and tilt. If you like tilting the floor tom I prefer mine somewhat flat, but not always depending on my mood. Then I'll get my high-hat and cymbals in place. Again, adjust the cymbal height and angles right for "you". Slowly hit each drum and test it out for "feel".... Once you've played your setup a few times and got it right, you'll know and adjust each set for "you". I have 4 sets and each one is just a little different because of hardware changes. Thus I will usually use the same cymbal stands and footpedal if possible. One in a while a footpedal or high-hat may break at a gig. It's good to have extra high break items on hand if you play a lot of gigs. Something may break at a gig and your setup may change. Knowing your gear and what is comfortable is as important as your driving a car or truck. You'll know when it's right for you. It comes down to a "feel" at the gig. "Ah! Perfect! Let's rock!" Oh I forgot my chain.  I sometimes use a chain like you would use to walk the dog. More than once I've went to a hardware store and bought chain by the foot. Put a (dog) clip on each end and make a small loop. Bring the loop around from a "thumbscrew" on the bass, through your stool, and loop it on the bassdrum again.  By the way, thanks for mentioning Travis Barker. 
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2008, 07:26 AM » |
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Before you start purchasing stands and thrones that allow you to sit very low, I would recommend that you watch this video lesson where I explain how to set-up your drums to fit you ergonomically. http://www.drummercafe.com/education/5-minute-lessons/ergonomic-hihat-placement.htmlEveryone is built differently, so we need to set our drums up so that it works WITH our bodies and not against them. What works for one person may not work for you, but if you approach fitting the kit to YOU, as opposed to contorting your body to fit the kit, you'll play better and feel more relaxed.
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2008, 07:47 AM » |
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Everyone is built differently, so we need to set our drums up so that it works WITH our bodies and not against them. What works for one person may not work for you, but if you approach fitting the kit to YOU, as opposed to contorting your body to fit the kit, you'll play better and feel more relaxed.
Right on Bart! Well said, I've got nothing I can think of to add. But then, I'm not sure if I'm awake yet? 
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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2008, 09:08 AM » |
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Last year I bought a new snare stand, which didn't allow the snare to be positioned as low as I used to have it. So I had to raise my throne a couple inches. Wow - what a big difference that made! I could lower the angle at which I had the toms mounted, and ergonomically it made things much better for me.
BTW - Bart - that is an excellent video. I am going to evaluate my setup in regards to your discussion. I have fallen into many of the traps you mentioned about the drum mounted toms and hi-hat position.
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 09:18 AM » |
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good idea guys, ill give that video a look, thanks guys!
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 10:07 AM » |
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interesting advice on the hihat at 11 oclock. im going to try it. i know right now it will require me to raise my throne, snare stand and tom mount to get that first tom hanging somewhere near the middle of the kick. right now, the tom is hung at about 10 oclock on the kick's left side about halfway off the bass drum hoop. im probably too low on the throne and snare stand because i like that low-rider look  that's so popular right now.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 11:43 AM » |
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I've had the problem recently (after evaluating my set up) that my throne doesn't go quite as high as I'd like it to. Sigh... back to the piggy bank.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 03:14 PM » |
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In general I'll set my bass drum legs so that the front is roughly an inch off the floor. I want the front of the bass drum to be just a little higher than when the footpedal is attached. Reason being, to put downward pressure on the legs to keep the kit from sliding forward as I play. When playing an older set it would slide forward much easier than the newer sets. The bass drum hardware is better now than back in the 60"s. OooHH!! That IS a problem!! Here's a solution!! Velcro on the bottom of your pedal. (someone wiser than me figured this out, go figure!) The velcro will make the pedal immovable, so with the kick drum attached to the pedal, VIOLA!! ( yeah, the stringed instrument, lol!) NEITHER of them go anywhere!! ROCK SOLID MAN!! Even when playing like a MADMAN!!! I use lots of Vintage stuff, and until I tried this method I had ALL kinds of hassles keeping my vintage bass drums from creeping away!
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 03:29 PM » |
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Velcro on the bottom of your pedal. (someone wiser than me figured this out, go figure!)
Drumworkshop pedals come standard with velcro on the bottom. Velcro ... one of our many benefits from the NASA Space Program.
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My doctor says it's bad for my blood pressure if my mind is blown for more than five minutes at a time.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 03:46 PM » |
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so does my $50 pearl pedal. works great.
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 04:39 PM » |
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Hey bart your video helped me out alot, thanks ma man!
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008, 06:41 PM » |
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Hey bart your video helped me out alot, thanks ma man!
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 06:57 PM » |
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Seems like every few years I go through a "How did my drums get to be so uncomfortable" phase. I rebuild my kit from the ground up (ala Bart's video). It's a good time to edit/audit your kit too.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2008, 06:46 AM » |
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Also try doing a search for "height" in the Drummer Cafe, you'll find a lot of different information. I did a thread a couple of years ago regarding your height and your thrown height. About 10 people responded. I graphed the data and found that there was a relationship between the two. (except for one response). Getting a good seat height will give you a good start to a good foundation. It did for me.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2008, 07:23 AM » |
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Hey Bart your video helped me out alot, thanks ma man!
Great! Glad to be of help. I'm with Jon E on reexamining the set-up and why we do what we do. I go through this as well. As we get older our physical mobility often changes. Our bodies change so why wouldn't we want to change our set-ups to coincide with these natural physical changes? Good call Jon E!
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2008, 11:26 AM » |
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We have to say hook and loop, VELCRO® is a registered trademark.  If we keep saying VELCRO® we'll have to pay some body some money, so stop saying VELCRO® LOL
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