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« on: September 24, 2008, 11:28 AM » |
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Two of my favorite drummers, Nicko McBrain and Josh Freese, have used two ride cymbals in their set ups. I can definitely see the benefits of this. For instance, at one point, Josh used a 21” Paiste Dry Heavy Ride (a killer cymbal, by the way) as his primary ride, along with a 20” Dry Crisp Ride for situations that required a lighter, more airy sound. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone else uses or ever used two rides in their setup or if anyone has opinions on this.
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 11:41 AM » |
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In the Jazz genre, two Ride cymbals is going to be very common ... and something I definitely use when playing jazz. My cymbal set-up varies depending on the gig, music, etc. I don't see how anyone could say much on the topic really. If you need or want more than one cymbal for "riding" purposes, then do it! There's no con to it with exception to space in the set-up, and money.  It's very common to "ride" on larger Crash cymbals in the Rock genre that many people would fit your criteria, even though though don't necessarily have to two cymbals in their set-up that are classified as "Ride" cymbals. Any cymbal can be a Crash, Ride, Effect and even HiHat if you want it to be. It's not limited to the black type placed on the instrument by the manufacture. I've taken two 20-inch Ride cymbals and used them as HiHats before in the studio!
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 12:05 PM » |
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I think two rides is pretty common, it just kind of makes sense, you want to bring as many dimensions as possible to the music you are playing. As Bart says, very common in Jazz as well as rock.
While there are many more, (rock oriented drummers) off the top of my head, Ringo used to ride on both his cymbals, Alex Van Halen, Carter Beauford, Billy Ward does, Simon Phillips has a number of different surfaces he rides, including a "ride cymbal" or two and then a Swish Knocker or Pang (whatever they call them).
In my set up (depending on the type of music I was playing) I have a 20" Paiste ride with a prominent bell, and then next to that I have a Sabian AA 18' Medium that is technically a "crash" but heavy enough to ride, but which also provides a nice wash. The Paiste and Sabian sound totally different which is what I like.
Sometimes it is nice to have a contrast when you go to the bridge or you are backing up a soloist etc..
If you've got the space and the money, go for it.
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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 02:58 PM » |
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I generally use just 3 cymbals in my setup, but it's like I have five - a 16" Paragon crash (1), an 18" Sabian HH crash/ride (2 and 3) and a 20" Sabian HH medium ride that crashes wonderfully (4 and 5). So basically, with just three cymbals I have three crashes and two rides.
I REALLY like Sabian HH cymbals.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 03:37 PM » |
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I usually set up two 20" rides. I've done that since the late 1960's. One with a more rock sound and the other with a softer country sound. Plus I use an 18" crash, 16" crash, 14" fast crash, and 2 high hat cymbals. I will switch the setup by the gig and how much room I have on stage. I love using two rides, I'm more versatile doing that. People can't see me as easily, but I'm a better musician using both. I don't care if I'm the latest style, I'm Chip. May as well get used to me, you're stuck with me until I'm done. 
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 03:47 PM » |
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Yes, I've used two rides since 1989. Like others, I tend to use a heavier dry ride for a pronounced ride pattern and a thinner, washy ride for the 'wall of ride' sound. On my last tour I used a Zildjian K Light ride 24" and a Zildjian Armand 21". As Bart points out, I also often use my larger crashes for riding too. In the past I've played ride on a 22" Swish (china type). Anything (bar hi-hats) can become a ride.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 06:11 PM » |
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Count me in with the use-two-rides group. I have been since almost forever. 
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 07:27 PM » |
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I have been since almost forever.  OK....... I've been using two rides since records switched to stereo from mono. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 08:01 PM » |
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I play mostly jazz and soul/RB/funk. I use two rides in both sets.
A 21" Sabian HH raw dry bell on the right. A 20" medium jazz-style on the left (it is an old cymbal and I'm not sure exactly what it is, other than Zildjian... and more washy with a nice stick sound).
I vary my crashes and effects cymbals quite a bit, depending.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 08:09 PM » |
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OK....... I've been using two rides since records switched to stereo from mono.  Well, at one time I had a record player you had to wind up! AND I am so old that Bartenders check my pulse rather than my ID When I was a kid rainbows were black and white If I order a 3 minute egg they want the money up front I can remember when the Dead Sea was just a little sick Now, top that! 
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 08:32 PM » |
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I use two rides for jazz (sometimes three), but for everything else I only use one ride.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 10:56 PM » |
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I do, usually, when playing jazz.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 06:23 AM » |
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I use 3 crashes, all of which have a pretty good, cutting bell sound and "frying ride" sound on the shoulder. I got rid of my ride earlier this year and am glad I did. Good thread. LOLz at chrisso and louis 
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2008, 05:12 PM » |
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Two rides here. Like others a dry ride (20" Sabian Raw Ride) and a much washyer ride (21" Sabian HHX Legacy). I'm still hiding from the audience and love the old "War of the Worlds" movie so surround me with more cymbals please.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 07:55 AM » |
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I usually only bring one ride to a gig - but I end up riding on other cymbals, usually the main crash I bring.
My jazz setup includes my 20" K Con and now....drum roll please.........my new 18" Istanbul Agop SE Jazz crash (used to be one of two other crashes, 17" or 18"). I may use the 'crash' cymbal for riding in any genre whether it's 'wall o' sound' in rock or lighter articulated playing in jazz or more acoustic stuff.
If the situation calls for it, I have an A Zildjian flat ride. But it doesn't usually hit the cymbal bag on most gigs.
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 09:03 AM » |
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I use a 22in 2002 Paiste Ride and a 24in 2002 Paiste Ride. Love both of them and love to have the option of a different note. Nutty
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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2008, 12:47 PM » |
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I have considered quite often to use two rides, but than placing the second ride on the left (like Simon Philips does). Never done it by the way. If want to use two rides this would probably the way. In the near future i'm going to experiment with this, because I'm more and more in to open handed playing AKA Simon Philips Billy Cobham style.
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« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2008, 08:04 AM » |
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I'll use two all the time. I play in an oldies band and a blues band. I'll use some combination of my heavy mehmet turk for a good ping, and generaly one of three: a 19" jazz crash/ride, a 20" flat, or a 24" zildjian medium A. Depends on the gig. Next gig out, I need three.., as always, it all depends on the music. Bob
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2008, 08:04 AM » |
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For jazz gigs I use two rides. One is usually an 18" Zildjian K Custom Session ride, the other is an old 18" Zildjian Swish - no rivets - mounted upside down.
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2008, 11:09 AM » |
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I've taken two 20-inch Ride cymbals and used them as HiHats before in the studio!
Now that's what I call out of the box thinking! How did they sound? What application were you using them for? How heavy was it to open those suckers up?
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