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Author Topic: How do you practise with a band?  (Read 1347 times)
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luuker
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« on: March 01, 2002, 10:02 AM »

I'm no pro and neither are my bandmates, but sometimes it bothers me that we don't practise much. Almost at all.
We just play! You know.. one-two-three-four and go!
It's fun but not very educational..

I've practised on my own and so are the other guys, but when we are together, it's almost that we don't know how to rehearse together!

Sometimes we make an effort and try to play for example just drums & bass and work from there on. But after a while we just let it slip and start to jam.

My Q is..

How do you make most of it? How do you rehearse with a band?
Do you record your rehearsals and listen the tapes together?
How do you arrange a song from a scratch? Drums and bass first, then guitars.. or what?
How long and how often do you practise?

Thanks a lot!

luuker
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rlhubley
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2002, 10:32 AM »

Lack of rehearsal skills is an unfortunate, yet very common problem.  You mentioned recording rehearsals, this is a wonderful tool for realizing your mistakes, as well as the nice spots.  Here are a couple of tips that I find work best:

1. Sectionals- If the problem with the song is say, groove, there should be a time when the rhythm section works on the tune seperate from the rest of the band.  If your band is a three piece and the gtr does rhythm and lead, then he does need to be there.  

2. Isolation-  When you know that the band is having a problem with a particular part of a song,  just spend some time on that particular problem.  If you are only having trouble with the ending, then why continue on the rest of the song, it just wastes time and is not that productive.  Figure out the trouble spots, isolate them, fix them, and find the next trouble spot.  Once those are fixed, then try the song top to bottom, you may need to go back and fix certain areas again.  

3. The time factor- Many folks seem to think that constantly playing the tunes will fix all problems.  There is probably some truth to that, however, I don't think it is the most productive way to go about rehearsing.  I find that it usually wastes a lot of time.  

4. Charts- if you can write charts(usually as individuals, because you'll find the drummer writes charts differently than the guitarists, bassist, etc) this helps a LOT.  Not only will it give reference points that you can call at so that everyone understands where you are talking about(I.e. Second verse, bar 6), it will also help you all retain the music better, and therefore not need countless hours playing the same thing over and over!

5. Listening- Listen to the band as a whole, not just yourself.  Drummers, vocalists, guitarist, doesn't matter, musicians of any instrument are equally guilty of not listening to the band as a whole(although drummers tend to hear the layers easier).

6. Metronome- If you are planning on going into the studio soon, plugging a metronome into the PA will help everyone's time(but they will ALL loathe every second of it!)

7. Communication- This is a sad problem.  Many, many musician's don't know musical terms very well, many don't know them at all.  If you all could make an effort to learn these terms, then you will have a much easier time communicating that you want the bridge to have a giant accellerando, but then make the verse go "a tempo", and on the ending you want there to be a slight ritard, and the last note should be a pianissimo fermata.  

8.  Arranging- This can be done in numerous ways.  I'll assum the songs are written by one or 2 guys, and then arranged as a band, since this seems to be the most common.  When they come into rhsl with a new song, play the basic format, you know intro, verse, chorus, etc, so you get an idea of what it sounds like.  Next, think about how you can give the song direction.  I find this normally means figuring out the intro, bridge(s), transitions, solos, and the ending.  I could go in more depth, but I think that is a start for arranging.

I hope this helps some, but I'm sure it was somwhat of an overkill.  oh well Grin
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SheldonWhite
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2002, 10:33 AM »

Come into practice with one or more objectives:
"Work out the vocal harmonies on the verse of <some song>"
"Tighten up the intro part on <some song>"
"Figure out the drum and bass for the jam section of <some song"
etc...
Then once you work something out, record it! It's easy to forget the killer guitar part after you leave the studio.
Once you get used to attacking things in a disciplined way, you can spend part of the practice session grinding through a problem, then loosen up and jam after that. Do the work stuff first, and reward the hard work with fun.
Not every band has the discipline to work this way, but if you want to get better you have to do stuff like this.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2002, 11:10 AM »

I'll just comment on my biggest frustration ... the lack of PRACTICING AT HOME!!!

Each member must do their OWN homework FIRST before you can implement any of the other great suggestions already mentioned in the previous posts. I can think of nothing more irritating that to have worked out my individual part, only to show up to the rehearsal ... sit and listen to the guitar, bass or piano player learn notes, chords, rhythms, etc. Having difficulty is one thing, but NOT being prepared is just a waste of my (and everyone else's) time.

My definitions:
Practice means work on it individually, at home, on your own time.
Rehearsal means putting the ensemble together; what each individual player and instrument has already worked out on their own.

This of course would be different if the band is creating a new song together.

You'll get a LOT more accomplished in your rehearsal time if everyone comes prepared. If you have a set list, then each person should know their individual parts. The rehearsal is there to piece it together, work out any problem ensemble sections, putting the show together, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2002, 12:59 PM »

Welcome to my No. 1 pet peeve...

Bart, I know those were your own thoughts, but reading that, it was like you lifted them from my brain. Smiley you're spot on with that. I can't tell you how many times I've tried to communicate that to other musicians.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2002, 03:54 PM »

Bart,
I have to agree with Sidereal.You nailed it.I just got hired to put a drum track on an already recorded track.That's a challenge putting a drum track on last.I am doing my homework now...writing myself a chart so we can save some studio time.You have to find all the lurch's and try to match them.It's not my preferred way of doing things....it's the client's way of trying to save a few bucks.
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2002, 07:39 PM »

I think the worst thing our band used to do was stop if any one of us f****d up. now we just try to carry on and whoever did the balls up just jumps back in . it seems to work with our motley crew. Huh Grin
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2002, 01:02 AM »

I agree with Bartman, but just to add that the bit between songs is for talking, and not for trying out your latest lick / effects pedal / new bass amp etc. Drives me nuts!
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Misenko
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2002, 01:04 AM »

Too much jamming in our band. The guitarist and bassist are all for jamming, they say its where you get good ideas from etc, but I wish we would concentrate more on actually creating songs out of it, cause most of the time, we come up with something really good and then forget about it, but they don't seem to listen.

Misenko.
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2002, 04:13 AM »

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Too much jamming in our band. The guitarist and bassist are all for jamming, they say its where you get good ideas from etc, but I wish we would concentrate more on actually creating songs out of it, cause most of the time, we come up with something really good and then forget about it, but they don't seem to listen.

Misenko.

      We have the same problem with that . Plus the fact that I can never remember the names of songs that we do at rehearsal . So now I always run a tape . Some practice studios have good recording equipment which is all the better . Other wise I just use a cheap boombox
to keep an archive . Later I'll sift thru it and edit a tape of stuff to bring to the next practice for reference.
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2002, 08:56 AM »

Sometimes you have to take what you can get.  If your band mates are only into jamming and don't have the discipline to work on a set, you might consider accepting that.  Jamming certainly has its own merits. If you would prefer a different type of band, you might have to find different people.
You can try to motivate people, but if they're not into what you're selling, they'll just become annoyed with you if you push too hard.  This is especially true if there's a group consensus and you're the odd man out.
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sidereal
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2002, 10:03 AM »

If there's too much jamming going on, do what I used to do. If someone starts a jam in straight 4/4 (usually), join in with some 12 bar blues thing. if they adapt to that, go into alternating measures of 5/4 and 7/4. They'll usually stop at that point and you can go back to working on actual songs. Of course they'll hate you and think you have no ear, but you'll get back on schedule. Cheesy

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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2002, 10:08 AM »

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If there's too much jamming going on, do what I used to do. If someone starts a jam in straight 4/4 (usually), join in with some 12 bar blues thing. if they adapt to that, go into alternating measures of 5/4 and 7/4. They'll usually stop at that point and you can go back to working on actual songs. Of course they'll hate you and think you have no ear, but you'll get back on schedule.
I used to take a more drastic measure, like stop playing; even get up to go to the restroom. If they are still "getting after it" by the time I'm finished doing "my business" ... I'll go flip the circuit breaker. They usually get the point after that.  Grin
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Misenko
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2002, 11:59 AM »

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. Plus the fact that I can never remember the names of songs that we do at rehearsal

Thats SOOOOOO true! Our band has had trouble with names for so long, cause we don't have a singer, we don't have lyrics really, so we don't have proper names. We have a few working titles, but most songs go along the lines of "that quiet one we did last week..no, that other one...the one with the...the bit in it...no not that one! Yeah, thats it! that one. Its cool" etc. We have started to remedy that now, by picking names we think suit the sound of the music, and a potential theme for it. Thats if we ever truly make it into a song that is! Grin

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