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« on: January 15, 2002, 08:13 PM »

What do you use to dampen your kick drum? A pillow, towel, felt strips, specialty drumheads or nothing at all?[/b]
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2002, 03:53 AM »

My Gretsch (24") bass drum has an internal felt strip (factory installed and it is adjustable). On my Pearl BLX (22")  I have mounted a felt strip.Both drums have a small (15x15 ) pillow inside, the pillows are fairly heavy and they are   *j u s  t* touching the batter head ... the batter heads are REMO pinstripes with a bit of light clear packaging tape added to the outside head.
The resonant heads are logo heads with a 6" hole cut about 4 " in from the hoop.

You Evans head fans out there are more than welcome to suggest something other than the pinstripes  
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2002, 05:51 AM »

I have to pieces of dense eggcrate style foam duct taped together.  Usually i have them placed horizontally, WITHOUT toching either head.  But, if i do need the muffling, i turn them and they touch both heads.  

I use the EVans EQ3 clear, without the extra muffling strip.  This head has small holes around the diameter, plus, an internal muffling ring, and it comes with an extra muffling ring that can be placed between the head and the other ring.  I leave the second ring out.  I use a black EQ(3, i think, maybe a 1) resonant in the front.  It has an offset hole, probably about 5 inches in diameter.  

This drum will knock you over!   It is a 16X22 Tama Artstar Custom.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2002, 11:07 AM »

I've got an old foam pillow in mine.  I'm having a big problem getting my kick tuned to sound decent, so I have to cheat with the pillow.  Must be time to change the heads.

Bartman--does Aquarian make a kick head like the Studio X with the dampening ring?  I think that would be easier for my to try and tune.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2002, 02:13 PM »

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Bartman--does Aquarian make a kick head like the Studio X with the dampening ring?  I think that would be easier for my to try and tune.
Yes, you need to check out the AQUARIAN Super Kick I which is a single-ply head (which is what I use predominantly; or the Super Kick II which is a two-ply. The also have the Impact series which is the same thing but the felt muffle is wider, so the heads are deader. Also their new Full Force kick drumheads are supposed to be rockin'; I'm going to try them out very soon. The Full Force are supposed to be sort of like the Evans EQ heads, but different; patent pending on these, so they are unique.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2002, 03:06 PM »

  I have a pinstripe batter with 3 moongels at 9,12 and 3 o'clock about 4 inches off the rim . A single ply front head with 1 moongel at 6 pm. Sounds great. The gels just cut out enough ring without deadening the boom.
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2002, 03:22 PM »

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  I have a pinstripe batter with 3 moongels at 9,12 and 3 o'clock about 4 inches off the rim . A single ply front head with 1 moongel at 6 pm. Sounds great. The gels just cut out enough ring without deadening the boom.
How on earth are you getting the Moon Gels to stay on a drumhead that is in a vertical position. I would think those babies would be falling off all the time.

Incidentally, besides using the AQUARIAN Super Kick I (clear, single-ply) with no additional muffling, I also use the AQUARIAN Regulator resonant head on the kick drum with the various sized ports.

I also take a fluffy, feather pillow and a few towels with me when I go to the studio so I have some choices when tracking a variety of songs.
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2002, 05:47 PM »

   I don't know how they stick but they have been on there a long time and have never come off . I just went to check them out and they are kind of hard to peel off.
When I first got them the guy at the shop said I might have to wet them once in a while . I did that when I changed heads about 9 months ago. Huh
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2002, 06:28 PM »

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   I don't know how they stick but they have been on there a long time and have never come off . I just went to check them out and they are kind of hard to peel off.
When I first got them the guy at the shop said I might have to wet them once in a while . I did that when I changed heads about 9 months ago. Huh
This is BLOWING ME AWAY!!!  Cheesy

I clean my Moon Gel with soap and water every once in awhile which, as you mentioned, aids in the adhesive properties. I just didn't think they would stay in a vertical position. I'll definitely have to try it out sometime.  Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2002, 04:59 AM »

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This is BLOWING ME AWAY!!!  Cheesy

I clean my Moon Gel with soap and water every once in awhile which, as you mentioned, aids in the adhesive properties. I just didn't think they would stay in a vertical position. I'll definitely have to try it out sometime.  Tongue

  Bart , I'm not sure if Moon Gel is a generic term or a brand name. The ones I have look like a registered brand name by RTOM. http://www.RTOM.com
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2002, 05:19 AM »

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Bart , I'm not sure if Moon Gel is a generic term or a brand name. The ones I have look like a registered brand name by RTOM. http://www.RTOM.com
Well, that's the same stuff I'm using. Yes, Moon Gel is the product name; like Kleenex or Bandaids ... it's not what they are, but rather a brand of tissues and adhesive bandages.
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2002, 09:06 AM »

Those Moon Gel things scare me. I swear they're living beings, like sponges. But I bet they think about stuff, like 'why is it always noisy here.' Nope, I don't trust those things.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2002, 03:32 AM »

I went thru the moon gel thing.  It is just PVC with a high plasticiser content.  It's the same material they make those rubber worms for bass fishin.

You can buy the goo from bass proshops, make your own custom mold if you want and not have to pay exhorbitant prices for moongel...which I reckon has a material price of about .30 cents a pound.

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Super Kick 1 and a Regulator front head...the best hands down, for me.
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2002, 06:59 AM »

I've been anti-pillows for a long time, but the 22x18 that came with my ddubs had a DW pillow in it. I was too lazy to take it out when I got it. Holy cow, I'm sold. That bd will punch you in the gut.
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2002, 07:02 AM »

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Those Moon Gel things scare me. I swear they're living beings, like sponges. But I bet they think about stuff, like 'why is it always noisy here.' Nope, I don't trust those things.

Moon Gel is the most relaxing substance on earth. Just touching it loosens me up. Some day, when I'm rich (but not famous), I'm going to have all my cushions and mattresses made out of that stuff!
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2002, 08:29 AM »

I'm ashamed of what's in my kick drum. I have one of those old plastic and foam muffle things PLUS a stinky old rotting pillow. You know how there are certain things you've been doing since you were 15-years-old and you never changed? That's me with my kick drum. I need to get one of dem SuperKick heads and get with the program. I know I'm going to go 'why the hell didn't I do this before.'
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2002, 03:56 PM »

Yeah, I heard a dw 24" kick with one of those pillows in it once...the thing had some major poop to it...awesome
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2002, 06:38 PM »

Well, the pillow came back to haunt me today. I took the new Ddubs to church today. We don't mic the kit because with our stage set-up (baptistry provides great natural amplifier). Only thing is the 22x18 bass is set up for an internal May micing system -- like a guitar pre-amp ... just plug in. I play heel down most of the time in church. There was no bottom end today. How frustrating! The pillow is definately coming out on days I'm not miked, and that includes casuals!
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2002, 11:46 AM »

I'm currently using a piece of 2" thick foam.  It just touches both heads and it covers about a third of the drum shell.  This is my standby for when I'm too lazy to figure something else out.  

I had been using a DW pillow for a while and never liked the results, and then one day I saw a picture of me doing some recording with the foam in the drum.  I bought some new foam, put it in the drum and, Bang!, there was the sound I liked.

I'm curious about the Moon Gel idea though ... next time I have the opportunity to spend some time with my drums (I live in an apartment) I'll give that idea a try.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2002, 05:50 AM »

NOTHING !!  Thanx to the Aquarian super kick II.
I use a 22" birch premier and the aquarian super kick II head and whalaa, no more pillows, no muffles, no tape, no foam, nothin'....  Also a good mike does a lot for you. I recommend the Sure beta 56.
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