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In another thread, someone expressed surprise or interest that Evelyn Glennie or Keiko Abe had not changed matters.
Both of them are soloists. I am talking about "rank and file" percussionists. My experience is that girls have to be twice as good as men to land an orchestral job, which is palpably unfair.
Vienna Philharmonic will NOT accept females on any instrument. Berlin had a VOTE to accept a girl into the wind section.
I am biased. It is my pupil who is in the Slovak Philharmonic at aged 16....and she is a BRILLIANT player.
A superb timpanist with the most natural feel for the instrument I have encountered.
But on current standards she will be barred from both the Vienna and Berlin Philharmonic because, to borrow a phrase from a previous thread, she does NOT have balls.
But she's a superb player.
It is one of the things that makes Old Chap VERY VERY cross indeed.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2003, 04:17 PM » |
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And PS: In England, the first female principal timpanist was Joyce Aldous in the Halle Orchestra.
And guess what? She inspired the current male timpanist of the Halle to take up the instrument.
As a teacher let me add something else: girls practice with more diligence and don't pretend they know it all.
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2003, 11:09 PM » |
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its interesting. ive always been in an odd head space about that sort of thing. i have no issues with any female person being a musician of anysort of course. my issue is with the seperation of genders for either negative reasons or supposedly positive ones.
i see articles on "women in rock" or "women in jazz" and it bugs me. who cares that they are women? ... do they rock? then they are just another person who rocks! ... the intentional seperation has a habit of excentuating the differences where there really arent any worth noticing.
would a band like the donna's be garnering the fame they are currently getting if they were guys? if not, why are they getting it now? ... i dig evelyn glennie for the most part. but i have to wonder. would she have gotten as far as she did had she been a guy and not deaf? i think this exaltation of women in music does as much harm as good.
but no matter how much i think that, we dont live in an ideal world. and women still get looked at differently. theres a certain amount of novelty to the female musician still. when my girlfriend was musically active she played drums. when people asked about the band they assumed singer. she said drums and they assumed hand drums. she played kit. good funky jazz chops as well.
so does that mean we should continue promoting women in music as "special cases" ? does that really point out that women can be just as good as men? or does it point at that they are women?
personally i think it would do everyone best to just ignore gender. kim gordon of sonic youth doesnt rock because shes a she. kim gordon rocks because she's kim freakin' gordon.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2003, 05:11 AM » |
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Chicks with sticks! I think thats hot! I love to watch women play drums! In fact, the best drummer in Junior High Band was a girl! Dianne Powers... geez I STILL remember her name) She was awsome! Best sight reader we had!  |
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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2003, 05:31 AM » |
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Best sight reader we had! Which meant she was smart and talented. It's my bet that she doesn't play drums anymore because of those facts. LOL |
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2003, 06:57 AM » |
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Kittie. They rock, not just b/c they're girls, but b/c they rock. The drummer is awesome, the guitarist rocks, and the singer blows me away. This may seem a little biased, but the singer wouldn't rock as much if she didn't do that deep throated roar that only guys seem to be able to pull off well. I knew a guy that sounded like he was posesed when he sang, but she makes him look like an amature. LONG LIVE KITTIE!
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2003, 07:59 AM » |
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Admittedly I am NOT a Kittie fan (I may be to old for the whole guttural scream approach to music and "death metal" isn't something I like to listen to. I may have to positive outlook on life to appreciate it! LOL) But I was thinking along the lines of the Go-Go's, the Bangles (pop I know) and in particularly Vixen! I really think they were cool and VERY easy to watch (I hope that doesn't make me sound too sexist!  ) but they were very nice looking young ladies and the drummers kit that looked like a Harley-Davidson was just awesome! |
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2003, 10:03 AM » |
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"Walk Like an Egyptian" is still a guilty pleasure for me. The Donnas, Avril; they're not breaking any ground, but they're just as good as any of the nasal power-pop pseudo-punk that's being pushed on MTV now, and I like them because I generally like women's voices more than men's. I am biased, of course - I play drums for a girl-fronted band, and our success will be largely dependant on the market's willingness to buy women who rock. I went to school with two female percussionists who easily held their own against any of the guys. One of them was actually so good that I can partially blame her for my decision not to pursue music in grad school;). I was just outclassed. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2003, 01:08 AM » |
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she does NOT have balls.
Well...not technically, but... here's an interesting bit of physiology that you might not know: women's bodies DO manufacture testosterone, and men make estrogen. Hence, we're not so different after all!  |
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« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2003, 01:09 PM » |
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here's an interesting bit of physiology that you might not know: women's bodies DO manufacture testosterone, and men make estrogen. Hence, we're not so different after all! its all just a matter of the balance we're born with. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2003, 03:32 PM » |
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here's an interesting bit of physiology that you might not know: women's bodies DO manufacture testosterone, and men make estrogen. Hence, we're not so different after all! Fascinating Robyn....So much love, and yet so much information. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2003, 03:14 PM » |
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I just like the girls........they practice.....they listen. They don't turn up with a long list of why they haven't done what they were asked to do.
Yeah.......I know.......you meant to practice but the Simpsons were on. And that's the difference.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2003, 02:53 PM » |
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I just like the girls........they practice.....they listen. They don't turn up with a long list of why they haven't done what they were asked to do.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2003, 02:56 PM » |
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My female students have ALWAYS been the best students as well ... especially the younger ones, but even college age.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2003, 03:15 PM » |
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I just think the girls don't turn up with pre conceived notions....and in my experience they definitely practice more.
And in pp playing they are absolute naturals. The gentle sex, I guess. With one exception, they can come "off" a timpani better than most boys I know. Boys have to be taught it....the girls feel it.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2003, 03:17 PM » |
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My female students have ALWAYS been the best students as well ... especially the younger ones, but even college age.
hmmm, it must be because of our larger brain size! JUST KIDDING GUYS . LOL ... |
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2003, 03:30 PM » |
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It might be because of brain size......Old Chap does not know but he DOES know they are a joy to teach and in my world sensitivity is all.......and my experience has been that I have to teach sensitivity to the boys but not to the girls.
It's rather funny.......I have found that I have to teach the girls to really HIT drums but in "senstivity" I don't have to teach them anything.
And you girls/ladies have a very good ear.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2003, 02:44 PM » |
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especially the younger ones, but even college age.
;)Bart? you gots college girls hanging with you bro? What a man! Sorry man! I couldn't help it! I know what you mean that girls are generally better students than boys! And I agree! They're also very enjoyable to LOOK at! Thank you GOD for making me a man...so I can gaze upon the beauty on this earth and appreciate it! |
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2003, 04:09 PM » |
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My experience is that they listen more and practice more........what would that have to do with drumming?
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2003, 08:31 PM » |
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Everytime a thread that this pops up where bands of females that would have been considered crap if they were males are acclaimed and male discrimination (yeah it happens, feminists  ) reigns, I feel sad... I don't watch the simpsons...   |
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