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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2002, 08:20 AM » |
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Matched grip, just feels more comfortable to me.  |
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2002, 09:03 AM » |
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When I got to L.A. I was applying Traditional grip only. I quickly had to bone up on matched because of being thrown into multi percussion setups as part of the percussion curriculum at Cal State University Northridge (BTW: I went there with Clayton Cameron briefly and as astounding as it seems he auditioned but never made any of the 4 CSUN jazz bands - and now he's quite the jazz king. I just love that. In other words - it ain't over 'til it's over! ). Also I got thrown into the corp style CSUN marching band (not my choice though) the first semester which also used total matched grip..... |
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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2002, 09:14 AM » |
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Also an interesting related anecdote that happened a month ago: I was at the park with my daughter and who should be there with his little girl but Dave Weckl (L.A. can give you cool circumstances like this). So we talked about the whole Gruber thing since I had another buddy who studied with Freddy G. for awhile. I mentioned about his use of traditional and mentioned that I had seen a recent pic with his snare slanted and him using traditional instead of matched. I said that I didn't know how guys could play effectively with both styles as you had problems being consistent if you set your drums up for one grip or the other. His reply was something like "your the first guy that I've talked to that realizes that . You have to set them up for what grip your playing.....if you look at my setup the drums are kind of [he leans to the side] ..going this way." So coming from the new and improved and "Gruberized", Mr. Weckl it seems like you have to decide which grip to use and then setup the drums to work with it. He also mentioned something about totally different muscle groups and physiology with using one or the other but his point was made with me. So right now I'm using matched, although I am keeping my traditional worked up on the pad - just in case one day I decide to switch.
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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2002, 11:32 AM » |
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A majority of the time, I play matched grip, but when I'm playing some serious swing or light jazz, I'll go traditional.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2002, 12:01 PM » |
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I can't believe nobody mentioned how much more FUN matched playing is! Sure, I'm relaxed when playing jazz but if it's funky, man, i gotta move. Personally, i hate having my arms stuck at right angles. It seems so illogical; some techniques are @$%# near impossible because of it. Just my ignorant opinion  |
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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2002, 09:57 PM » |
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I dont put any grippy stuff on my sticks. It usualy makes my hands sticky.............(sorry the temptation of the classic "dumbass" drummer was too strong to resist).
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2002, 09:53 PM » |
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I use matched grip...just like some of the other people on here i just find that matched grip makes more sense...but thats my opinion. Its much easier and more comfortable for me to play.
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« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2002, 09:58 AM » |
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The truth is, I believe some people are not built to play traditional grip, I am one so if you play better either way stick with it if it is comfortable. I just started playing vibes and I started with the Gary Burton grip because quote unquote everyone that plays jazz plays that way. But it was confusing to me then I met a jazz player who plays the Stevens- Musser grip and he said I should try it, I did and it felt perfect so that is the way I am going to play.
Bob, You mention one of the most underappreciated aspects of selecting a grip, whether it be trad/matched for snare drum, or Burton/Stevens/Traditional for four-mallet marimba/vibraphone, and that is the individual player's suitability to that grip. My hands are not the same as your hands, my fingers are not the same as your fingers...why should we automatically use the same four-mallet grip? The tricky part is, in selecting the best grip for one's self, being able to fairly judge those other grips, as the various learning curves for different grips can vary greatly in the early stages. It's easier to "get good sooner" on Burton grip than it is on Stevens grip, although both take a great deal of time and effort to master. If one makes a decision about a grip too early on in the process, then a player who might actually do better with Stevens grip, might end up staying with Burton, just because it felt better initially. Anyway...that's one reason, IMHO, why stating that one grip is automatically and consistently better than another grip, is shortsighted at best. As always, YMMV... |
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« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2002, 05:22 PM » |
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Exactly what is "American" grip? Do I tatoo little flags on my hands or something?  |
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« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2002, 09:10 PM » |
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The player I met on the vibes told me to try the Stevens grip for a month then go back to the Burton grip and check that back out. So I am just keeping an open mind about all of it for now, but it does seem the Stevens grip comes very naturally to me. He told me he had never seen anyone adjust to it that quickly.
I just wish there had been a choice when I started playing drums. Oh well it is never to late.
I think teachers should be more aware of body types and limitations in students physical make ups and work around them...
I teach Tae Kwon Do and I am extremely aware of everybody's limitations and abilities and I try to work around them.
Hey James
What does IMHO and YMMV mean?
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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2002, 06:17 AM » |
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Hey James
What does IMHO and YMMV mean?
Sincerely,
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Hi, Bob, IMHO - "In My Humble Opinion" YMMV - "Your Mileage May Vary" - as in, these are the results I've achieved, yours may be different. It's a reference to automobile commercials: "The Pontiac Gazoo got 40mpg city, 500mpg highway in manufacturer tests...Your Mileage May Vary." |
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2002, 07:44 PM » |
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I'm with BAnimalG -- matched grip for rock, traditional for jazz. It's not that there's anything right or wrong about it, it's just that my left hand can do better drags, ruffs, rolls (you know, bouncy stuff) with the traditional and matched is better for powerful rim shots and left hand crashes.
I can tell you right now what the best grip is -- it's the one that works for you!
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2002, 08:20 PM » |
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I use matched grip.
My teacher told me that while still learning the basics Matched Grip was better. He said that because of the grip you have more muscle control which translates into better control over your stick. He plays traditional but he also said that he wishes he hadn't 'looked down on all the uneducated rock slobs and had learned matched grip also.'
Just my two cents....
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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2002, 05:51 PM » |
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I never did like the image of the unschooled rocker. Don't EVER let the site of a matched grip drummer make you think he is "unschooled". I can play rudiments better with the traditional grip but I have used a matched grip since I was in drumcorps (quads). I use what y'all call a "german" grip with my palms flat. I get more controll that way because it forces me to use my fingers more. I love that feeling, playing 6's or straight 32nds, when the you feel the sticks wabble in your hands like that. I don't get that with the traditional drummer boy grip. |
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2002, 04:59 AM » |
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I play both...I use traditional grip when playing side drum in the school marching band.
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« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2002, 05:40 AM » |
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Exactly what is "American" grip? Do I tatoo little flags on my hands or something? It's splitting the difference between German and French ... at least that's the easiest way to describe it. The palm is not horizontal to the floor (German), and the palm is not perpendicular to the floor (French). American flag tattoos are exceptible. |
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« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2002, 05:46 AM » |
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Don't forget the Musser grip. Basically the Stevens grip is a modified Musser grip! Here's a Q&A from a few years ago (from the Tips section of my website): Burton grip vs. the Stevens grip |
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« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2002, 09:59 PM » |
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Recently, I've been trying to train myself to use traditional, especially since I'm considering joining a corps. I'm doing ok with it, but no matter what I do, I can't seem to get the control and speed I have while playing the "non-educated" way. That goes for the marching snare, as well as the set. Any tips/suggestions on how to get up to speed?
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2002, 02:59 PM » |
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2002, 04:52 PM » |
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Both...love em both. |
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