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« on: May 02, 2002, 03:33 AM »

  Hi everyone. No matter how fast my doubles are, I can not make my buzz roll *buzz*  Huh
  Got any suggestions for a proper technique or a means of practice?

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2002, 05:37 AM »

Practice 3 bounces for each stroke.  Any rudiment you can double well, triple!  Keep the basic 16th note pulse/stroke like you have been doing with your doubles.

It's tough and doesn't come overnight plus multiple bounce rolls require maintenance.

But you have your doubles happening.  That's great.  I have found I use doubles alot more than triples for rock/fusion (that's basically what I'm into.)
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2002, 07:27 AM »

We've discussed this in the past. You might want to check out these threads:

http://community.drummercafe.com/index.php?board=8;action=display;threadid=240;start=0

And this article/response which I wrote awhile back for the Drummer Cafe; it's in the Question & Answer portion of the website.

http://community.drummercafe.com/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=19

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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2002, 10:41 PM »

Karem -the obvious answer for all technique questions is simply RELAX, practice and it should happen for you.  

For a smooth buzz I wouldn't compare it to your fast double strokes too much.  Think simply in terms of controlled gravity.    Don't grip the stick too hard, in fact, the looser the grip (within reason) -the better the feel.

Practice loosely letting one stick fall lightly on the head and let the buzz exhaust itself before applying the stroke with the other hand.   You're eventually looking for an even sound between the strokes to the point that you can't hear any accents as each hand begins it's buzz stroke.  

Also, I believe there's a difference between a buzz roll and a (military) press roll and that they're often confused.   My understanding is that a press roll is like a buzz but with a little more aggressive approach and the sticks being played 'into' the head a little moreso than with the buzz roll.    I could be wrong, but that's always been my understanding.      
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2002, 03:42 PM »

  Thanks for the valuable info everyone. I will practice and practice more but the insight that Ratamatatt has provided is very true indeed because I discovered that my snare sucks  Undecided  I played for a few seconds on a beautiful Ludwig snare and the feel was very very different and great! I think I just have to be patient until I can purchase a decent set

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2002, 11:41 PM »

Kerem -remember,  gear is great -but it's the drummer that really counts.   If your snare drum sounds really bad and doesn't help to inspire you -or can't be tuned properly, try practicing your buzz on a Real Feel pad or even on the mouse pad for your computer.    Cool
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2002, 06:09 AM »

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Then slowly tighten the snare wires while taping the batter side with a stick.  You will find that once the wire touch the bottom head it only takes a little more tightening to get the optimum tention.  You want the wires tight enough so that they don't have any residual buzz after a stroke, but not so tight that they, in any way, choke the sound.  If you play with this, I think you will find that you have a pretty good buzz roll after all.

I think this is ok for some people to tension their strainer like this, but it isn't for me.

1.)  When you record, you might find that your snares will buzz too much when other drums are played.  But with a concert snare, ok.  

2.)  You should be able to buzz with a tight snare...don't cheat.  Multiple bounce rolls should sound grainy, like paper ripping.

3.)  Of course the rat and I are at odds again.  My strainer is extremely tight and I think my snare sounds awesome.
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