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Author Topic: Percussion Loops & Practice  (Read 736 times)
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« on: January 15, 2002, 06:02 AM »

With all the discussion of practice & playing with Play-a-long CDs (albums, tapes, etc.), I wanted to bring up the following.

I was curious if anyone of you would find it beneficial to own a CD that had nothing but different percussion loops on it?

Rather than having to program your own, you would have LIVE percussion loops to practice with.

It's a loaded question, but I would like to hear your thoughts!  Cool
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2002, 09:27 AM »

Bart Elliot... ever the entrepreneur... Smiley

Hell yeah, that would be cool. It would be very inspiring. Personally, I love playing with percussion players because of how much the patterns inspire me. Another thing... it would probably encourage young players to concentrate on and appreciate the value of GROOVE and pocket, of finding your space. That is, without a doubt, the lost gift in drumming today, IMHO. So it would be a great thing. It would also be a great learning tool in teaching odd times (because you could feel the "mantra" of it much easier with percussion than with a click) and polyrhythms (African 6:4 feels and the like). Also, you could take some of the mystery out of the gray areas between straight feels and triplet feels, as well as instruct on the transitions between the two.

The only area I could see a problem is in playing along with percussion which often doesn't establish the quarter note pulse. The phrasing in percussion often rests the quarter note, with lots of notes played on the "and" and the "a" and "e." Maybe you could have two takes of each example, the first with a click, the second without. "Now try it without the click..."

Anyway, you're probably not going for an educational CD, but that's what sprung to mind with me when you mentioned it.

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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2002, 09:34 AM »

Well, I am sort of thinking of it being an educational tool. Your right about the click issue, but I would probably lay down a BIG ONE at the beginning of each 4 bar phrase or whenever the loop repeats itself.

Since I'm creating custom drum & percussion loops (ie. BAE Productions), I was thinking of how this might help all of us as a study/practice tool.

I'm still brainstorming, and have been for a number of years. If I don't do something soon, someone else will beat me to the punch.  Cry The positive aspect is that no one plays just like me (or you), so we each have something to offer regardless of what is in the market place.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2002, 07:40 AM »

Bart this would be a great idea and would help very much with creative aspect of developing grooves. I have done a number of sessions where I had to double track to a drum loop and I'll tell you that the loops/grooves  chosen by the artist were totally different than what I would have come up with for those song's grooves. You might want to include a chart for each loop/groove.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2002, 06:30 PM »

A friend of mine really helped develop my time by telling me to setup a drum machine to play 4 bars of a groove and then 4 bars of silence and then to repeat the sequence.  The goal was to be in time with the drum machine when it clicked back in.  Did wonders for me.  

Running a drum machine while I practice also helped me develop my hand drum - soloing ability a whole bunch.
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2002, 01:34 AM »

Great idea! I would definatly get something like that, cause as a relitavly new player, its these new educational things that really interest me and lets face it, practicing basics is not always so riveting!  Wink
 So, anything that can help build you into a better player is a GOOD thing!

Oh, and kevin, you gave me an idea with that drum macnine post! thanks! Grin

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