Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 5556
Mr. Sensitive
|
 |
« on: February 07, 2003, 12:52 PM » |
|
I just picked up THIS CD, which features Stan Getz with the Oscar Peterson Trio. There's no drummer on this; instead, the rock-solid time is provided by Ray Brown on bass and Herb Ellis on guitar. That makes it a terrific CD to practice with. I've found that with jazz records in particular, it can be really hard to play along with a drummer who has a different rhythmic approach than you. For example, I find it very easy to play along with records that Al Foster plays on, but not as easy to lock in with, say, Art Blakey. So a disc like this offers a rare opportunity to "jam" with some jazz heavies! This disc is available at most online stores, but I found a used copy cheap on half.com - check it out!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I just found out most of the recordings I'm on were actually played by Bernard Purdie. my drummerworld page
|
|
|
Scott
Cafe VIP
Gold Member
Offline
Posts: 533
|
 |
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2003, 01:17 PM » |
|
This is great, Mr. A. Thanks for sharing! I've been looking for something to practice brushes with and this would be perfect! In fact, Oscar Peterson was probably hearing the sound of Ed Thigpen's brushes in his head during this recording!
Awesome....
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
felix
Cafe VIP
Platinum Member
Offline
Posts: 8589
first class all the way :-)
|
 |
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2003, 01:25 PM » |
|
That is pretty cool.
To bad my brush technique looks like I'm painting the side of a house or something.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Sonor, The Drummers Drum
|
|
|
Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 5556
Mr. Sensitive
|
 |
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2003, 01:31 PM » |
|
That is pretty cool.
To bad my brush technique looks like I'm painting the side of a house or something.
Dude, you should have seen the way I learned to play brushes. I had never seen anybody play with brushes, and developed my own technique to try to replicate the sounds I was hearing on records. It was NOT pretty! I've since learned the "normal" way to play, but every now and then I revert to my brushes for dummies technique! BTW - You can also practice with sticks with this CD.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I just found out most of the recordings I'm on were actually played by Bernard Purdie. my drummerworld page
|
|
|
mudlark
supporter
Gold Member
Offline
Posts: 944
Blue Sparkle. It's Back! Again.
|
 |
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2003, 01:53 PM » |
|
Cool, I'll have to pick this up. I've got two other Oscar Peterson CDs, both with Herb Ellis on Guitar, Ray Brown on Bass, and Bobby Durham on Drums. Good Stuff!!
It's funny I'd pick one up that had no drums. My brother bought me the Peterson CD's for Christmas one year and the front plainly says "The Legendary Oscar Peterson Trio" with Peterson, Ellis, and Brown. Now, I love jazz piano, but I have to admit I was disappointed that there was no drummer on either CD. Then I flipped the CD over and noticed the credit for Bobby Durham.
Guess he's like the fourth member of the trio.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
563
supporter
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 6608
drum + hand
|
 |
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2003, 02:13 PM » |
|
I've found that with jazz records in particular, it can be really hard to play along with a drummer who has a different rhythmic approach than you. For example, I find it very easy to play along with records that Al Foster plays on, but not as easy to lock in with, say, Art Blakey. I love doing both ... when they are different, you can really see how different each approach is. which can in turn give you ideas on how much a beat can be played with and still work. and because you are following them, youre kinda pressed into thinking like them, giving you approaches outside your own. and when you "jam" with a similar player it can force you out of your box and into some other one, because the guy on tape is playing what youd be inclined to, youre pushed to fill the gaps. either way its a great way to rethink your playing. you want a fun one, try playing along with coltranes meditations ... if you can find a spot inbetween elvin jones and rashied ali that tyner and garrison havent already filled youll definitely be thinking in new terms 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Making bad art. Saying stupid things. Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here. The Luna MothmeTableland
|
|
|
Bart Elliott
Chef de Cuisine
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 12365
Groovin' on "Cissy Strut"!
|
 |
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2003, 02:14 PM » |
|
Yeah ... I always pull out stuff that lacks drums ... great to play to. Some of the latest stuff I used is by Diana Krall with piano, bass and guitar.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Life is a beauty contest; whatever wins your heart ... wins your life.
|
|
|
|
nullify_drummer
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2003, 09:53 PM » |
|
hey, I got a question and its a pretty dumb one. but is jazz really hard to play, and how would I go about learning, besides lessons (short on money). cuz I really wanna play jazz because I think it'll help expand my drum skills a lot. and thats what I wanna do and I've always had a love for jazz
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 5556
Mr. Sensitive
|
 |
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2003, 10:34 PM » |
|
hey, I got a question and its a pretty dumb one. but is jazz really hard to play, and how would I go about learning, besides lessons (short on money). cuz I really wanna play jazz because I think it'll help expand my drum skills a lot. and thats what I wanna do and I've always had a love for jazz
Playing ANY style of music well is hard. You can start by listening to a lot of jazz, and trying to imitate what you hear. Then, if you can read music, get a couple drum books such as Jim Chapin's Advanced Techniques for the Modern Drummer, or perhaps John Riley's book. There have been several good jazz drum books discussed on this list. If you can't read, you really need to learn, and the most effective way is with a teacher. I know you've said you don't have the money, but if you have the money for sticks, new cymbals etc. (and I know you're shopping for a cymbal right now), then you have the money to take at least a FEW lessons. Trust me, a dozen lessons would be a MUCH better investment right now than a new crash cymbal. If you have access to a public library, check out their CD collection - most libraries have decent jazz collections. So you can listen for free. The Ken Burns series of CDs is a great introduction to jazz. Also, check the newspapers and see if there is any live jazz happening in your area. While listening to recordings is great, there's nothing like actually SEEING the way jazz musicians play together, improvising based on what each other is doing - it's great stuff. Good luck!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
I just found out most of the recordings I'm on were actually played by Bernard Purdie. my drummerworld page
|
|
|
cavanman
supporter
Gold Member
Offline
Posts: 946
"And I do the Cha-Cha like a little sissy Girl"
|
 |
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2003, 01:21 AM » |
|
Yeah ... I always pull out stuff that lacks drums ... great to play to. Some of the latest stuff I used is by Diana Krall with piano, bass and guitar.
Ditto here Bart! I've been playing along with my girlfriend's CD.....umm...I mean Diana Krall's 'When I Look In your Eyes" CD. It's great for brushes. [......But why doesn't she call back?  ....like there are no phones on the road??..........I even sent her a pre-paid card.......Is It ME??......Do I look fat on this drumset???] 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
"I like-uh....dooo....da cha-cha..."
|
|
|
jokerjkny
supporter
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 3102
|
 |
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2003, 01:49 AM » |
|
cool, Felix, definitely be picking that CD up. a few other great ones are Ron Carter & Jim Hall's "Telephone" or "Telepathy" albums. peeps tell me just cop a Tony Williams feel, and you're good to go. Telephonereeeaalllly wanna challenge yourself? try "Jim Hall & Basses", where he goes toe to toe with Dave Holland, Charlie Haden, Christian McBride, etc. Jim & Basses
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
...this aint no time fo' jibba jabba!
|
|
|
diddle
supporter
Gold Member
Online
Posts: 593
I love to play chess and sip coffee!
|
 |
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2003, 10:17 PM » |
|
check out this url http://f.unkster.tripod.com/jazzNutshell/jazzNutshell.htmlthis gives an excellent series of progressive exercises to develop a jazz groove. When I started learning jazz, I had a lot of difficulty with my left foot keeping it steady on 2 & 4. I had to play lots of jazz CDs with just HH to get it down. Paul L
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Bart Elliott
Chef de Cuisine
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 12365
Groovin' on "Cissy Strut"!
|
 |
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2003, 11:10 PM » |
|
The Rhythm Section Work-Out CD put out by Jamie Aebersold is nice; I use it a lot. It's got drums on the CD, which you pan out when you want to play by yourself. Ed Soph is on the disc ... so it's good stuff. http://www.jazzbooks.com/playalongs/030.htmEach track on the CD has drum solo breaks ... and there's no clicks ... so you're on your own! It's worth the $14.90 for the book/CD.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Life is a beauty contest; whatever wins your heart ... wins your life.
|
|
|
563
supporter
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 6608
drum + hand
|
 |
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2003, 01:26 AM » |
|
Also, check the newspapers and see if there is any live jazz happening in your area. While listening to recordings is great, there's nothing like actually SEEING the way jazz musicians play together, improvising based on what each other is doing - it's great stuff. Good luck!
very true ... and often great stuff is at the little places with little to no cover ... not only is it good music for cheap, but youre invariably helping out locals ... which is a good thing. couple national cats I recommend who often tour the small venues are william hooker and earl harvin. killer players, killer show.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Making bad art. Saying stupid things. Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here. The Luna MothmeTableland
|
|
|
|
bentakis
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2003, 09:52 AM » |
|
"you want a fun one, try playing along with coltranes meditations ... if you can find a spot inbetween elvin jones and rashied ali that tyner and garrison havent already filled youll definitely be thinking in new terms" haha, yes indeed. after you master this challenge you could move on to some Cecil Taylor, Derek Bailey, or Evan Parker. good stuff for beginners!! 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
paul
Platinum Member
Offline
Posts: 1343
|
 |
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2003, 12:33 PM » |
|
There's also a very nice recent album by Nicholas Payton, Christian McBride, and Mark Whitfield called "Fingerpainting." Again, a trio (guitar, bass, trumpet) without drums that's a good challenge to play along with.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely preferable to the presence of those who think they've found it. - Terry Pratchett My drum page
|
|
|
563
supporter
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 6608
drum + hand
|
 |
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2003, 01:58 PM » |
|
just thought of another ... theres a band called "the not missing drums project" (primarily the work of a cellist and saxaphonist with various guests) ... maybe they are  ive got an album of theirs at home ill have to try out tonight.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Making bad art. Saying stupid things. Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here. The Luna MothmeTableland
|
|
|
Tony
supporter
Platinum Member
Online
Posts: 2177
Art is the expression of the self.
|
 |
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2003, 02:11 PM » |
|
This is Kevin Barrett, former Principal Percussionist for the Alabama Symphony (retired). I am lucky to be one of his few private students. He is one of the best jazz players I've heard. I've progressed in jazz playing and in my library of music more in just over a year studying with him then in years on my own.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
The techniques, though they play an important role in the early stage, should not be too restrictive, complex or mechanical. If we cling to them, we will become bound by their limitation. Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.
|
|
|
|
Ratamatatt
Guest
|
 |
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2003, 12:02 PM » |
|
Cool, I'll have to pick this up. I've got two other Oscar Peterson CDs, both with Herb Ellis on Guitar, Ray Brown on Bass, and Bobby Durham on Drums. Good Stuff!!
It's funny I'd pick one up that had no drums. My brother bought me the Peterson CD's for Christmas one year and the front plainly says "The Legendary Oscar Peterson Trio" with Peterson, Ellis, and Brown. Now, I love jazz piano, but I have to admit I was disappointed that there was no drummer on either CD. Then I flipped the CD over and noticed the credit for Bobby Durham.
Guess he's like the fourth member of the trio.
Speaking of Bobby Durham, he is, IMHO, the best musician/drummer I've ever heard. I've never heard a drummer say so much in a solo without resorting to rudimental chops as Bobby Durham. Ratamatatt
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|