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« on: March 14, 2003, 02:03 AM »

kinda a silly question,

but I've seen countless drummers use their left leg while bouncing in time to the music, but is it really viable to keep time?  i've heard, no.
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2003, 06:08 AM »

Are these drummers bouncing it on the hihat, playing 1/8 notes? This is a viable way to add some spice to your groove, but it takes practice to do it in time. Some drummers do bounce there left leg without lifting their hihat up. If it works for them there's nothing wrong with it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2003, 06:30 AM »

I think every tool that could help keeping your timing is a good tool
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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2003, 06:48 AM »

It's kinda a bad habit.  I have to watch myself so I don't do it- and believe me, I watch myself for that...

I usually mark time on the quarters here and there when I'm riding...but when I'm on the hat I try to concentrate on the right stick, making it groove and making sure that the kick and snare are locked in (when playing rock)

I try to keep time in my heart and head, body follows along here and there- everybody has there own way, some are better than other.  It's not really something you can explain over the net.

Now I'm working on a tune that has a section of 11/4...8 bars of it and there is a bunch of crazy drummin' in it.  I have decided to mark strict time on my jam block with the left foot and use the other limbs for jamming.  It is slowly coming together.  I wish I could play something a little hipper than 1/4 notes, but I'm not that good on my Giant STep Twin Effects pedal yet.  Maybe someday.  I thought about an osti, but I havn't figured one out that would work in the tune and that I could solo over.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2003, 09:03 AM »

Personally, I think any movement like that is a waste of energy and motion. I've seen guys bounce on the drum throne, like they have ants in their pants, subdividing the pulse of the music. Watching them exhausts me!

I'm not saying it's wrong ... I'm simply saying that I think it's a waste of calories and motion.

The best time keepers seem to be the fellows with a calm look and stature when they play. They may "get into it" by moving their head and body a bit ... but none of this bouncing body/limb stuff that has nothing to do with playing (a motion to make a sound on the kit).

We all realize that the audience is looking for a performance, and so there seems to be some sort of obligation to dance on the kit. That's fine, but I usually try to focus on my playing .... allowing the strokes and movements I make to be directly connected with what I'm playing and the sound that is being produced.

Exaggerating a stroke to a cymbal is an effective way to incorporate motion with sound. Sure it's more motion than is probably needed, but it adds to the look of the performance. Not all genres need or require this time of approach, but it does have it's place.

But with the topic at hand, nervously bouncing a limb to the tempo or subdividing of the beat seems to be a little bit much to me. I know, because I deal with it in my own playing!  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2003, 09:49 AM »

I've been concentrating on developing my left foot hihat work. I'm incorporating the heel/toe rocking method as well as practicing and playing with my left heel down and up. I think the left leg bounce (heel up) is useful - if controlled. And there for me is the rub.
If you're just jamming along, bouncing on the hihat, that left foot may or may not be pumping out straight 8th notes. One of my goals is to be able to transition to the technique that works best for the tempo you are playing at: Heel up, heel down or heel/toe. I've made up some exercizes that I try to do every day to improve this.

My goal is to produce time with my left foot that is so good that my right hand can do something else instead of keeping 8th note time. I'm also trying to combine snare ghosting with left foot hihat notes to get a "bed" of time going underneath my other limbs.

The next move will be to buy some Mastersound or Sound Edge hihats which will give the left foot activity a higher profile sonically.

This is similar in concept to what I've heard David Garibaldi talk about. He considers his hihat and ghosted snare notes to be the same sound and uses them accordingly.
Granted this won't work in high volume situations but I'm already bearing fruit in some time patterns that I use.
So...gotta keep that bounce o' mine grooving and consistent!


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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2003, 10:22 AM »

i do it when soloing but i've developped it to keep time so it's not a problem.  if my hats were louder on the foot i'd use it when keeping the beat but.... i'm stuck with crap and no money.  i'm just glad i have what i have.
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« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2003, 11:27 PM »

Occasionally I do a heel up bounce with my left leg.  It's not so much movement as to cause any noticeable energy loss.  I do it for no other reason than to help me keep time.

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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2003, 10:02 PM »

I use my left leg a little, but very rarely.  The only time I ever to that (excluding the obvious jazz music) is in my church gig.  I sometimes play quarter notes, either on or off beat, with my left foot.  I believe it adds a little more motion sometimes, but only because I use Hot Rods and no amplification, so you can really hear it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2003, 07:58 AM »

I bounce my heel on the hi-hat, a lot actually, I find it DOES help to keep time. I mainly doing it when riding on the cymbal.  I would play either quarter notes, for slower tempos, or eigth notes for the faster ones.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2003, 11:57 AM »

i use it for effects and thats about it.
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« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2003, 04:25 PM »

When i drum my left leg is constantly bouncing 8th notes unless i'm using it for something else.  I find 8th notes make the beat sound too rushed, but quarter notes sound really good, the only way i could think of to bounce quarter notes when i'm paying attention to it, is to bounce all 8th, but alternate from ground to hat.
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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2003, 08:39 PM »

I had a person in my college jazz class, a Dr. Martin or something, who was what he considered to be an old-hat jazz drummer. He actually -suggested- that I rock my left heel while playing to get a feel for the time. I tried it, found it was a waste of energy, and went back to just mental counting. I felt that it made me look like I had to urinate.

When I was younger, I used to do what Bart described as the "Ants in your pants" style throne-jumping. I don't do that anymore. It's a waste of energy. Something I discovered when I moved into more intensive drumming parts. To me, I see the best way to optimise my performane as full-body control, and getting it to do what I want. The caloric consumption could be better used for other things, I would think.
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