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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2005, 09:02 PM » |
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I've written so much in this forum about conga heads that you guys are probably sick of hearing my ideas, opinions, and preferences but I can't resist putting in my "vote" for skins. Buffalo, cow, mule, goat, whatever - each has distinct (as in clearly audible) differences and then, there's the whole thickness range. My vote for skin heads are on my drums. My vote for synthetics are in my closet.  Thing is - I don't believe there that this is a "one size fits all" or "there can be only one" discussion. My advice is get ready to start spending some money to find the heads that you like best - chances are great that the first sets you put on won't be the ones you love best. And, you've got to go way up on the high-end of the price range of new congas to even get close to a set of heads that you won't wish a quick death upon. (BTW - just got another mula head for my conga from Isaac at Funky - it's thinner than the last one and I haven't yet mounted it but I can hardly wait! It's looks great!)
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2005, 12:31 PM » |
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Reviving this thread because, I need a little help.
Isaac and I have been going back in forth - in an incredibly friendly way because this guy is just the best to work with! But, we're having a problem with fitting my quinto head (the conga and tumba heads apparently fit perfectly). It seems his supplier is making the quinto heads for the first time now and they don't have the sizing down just yet. Again, I want to emphasize that I don't blame Isaac or Funky - those guys have been superb to deal with!
But, here's where that leaves me: I need a quinto head "ring" or "hoop" so that I can mount a skin. I only have the one that I'm playing and a busted Remo - Isaac says the Remo probably won't work. I don't want to destroy my LP buffalo head because I like having it as a spare.
If anybody has a busted LP quinto head that fits Comfort Curve II or another head or ring that they want to sell cheaply, please let me know. If you know a good source (other than buying a new head from LP just so I can cut it apart), I'd love to hear from you.
Thanks!
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2005, 12:41 PM » |
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Any L.P. dealer can order you a skinwire from L.P. also Rhythmtraders.com makes skinwires in any size, they're fast, cheap, honest and serious. What I would do in your situation is to place the LP head in about 2" of water (head up) until it is soft enough for the wire to be removed. No need to soak the entire head. Same with installing the wire in the mule head but now you just pop the wire into the fold.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2005, 12:53 PM » |
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B-cero: really? Thanks! I've been told by my local stores (who are really pretty lame when it comes to ordering anything) that it was not possible. I looked at Rhythmtraders.com and didn't see any mention of anything (before I posted) but I guess I could call them and ask.
If my local stores are of no help to me with the LP ordering, I wonder who I can go to for this...I would really prefer an LP, I think.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2005, 12:59 PM » |
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Call Lp customer service they will direct you to what you need. As long as the wire fits and is well made, it need not be Lp.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2005, 01:09 PM » |
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Hmmm...maybe I got my wires crossed a little bit - pun intended and duly apologized for...
Isaac says that he can make the skinwire if I can get him the EXACT dimensions. That would be best for a lot of reasons.
But, I have to say that I am in no way looking forward to trying to mount this skin. I'm much more of a "screw it on and play it" kinda guy.
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2005, 10:06 PM » |
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Here's what the conga God Raul Rekow has to say on this topic: (yes, I know its an endorsement, but Raul Rocks!)
"With the REMO FIBERSKYN® 3 I have finally found my sound! The REMO FIBERSKYN® 3 is a cross between the brightness of a djembe and richness of a conga. I love the action of the FIBERSKYN® 3 Conga heads. The duration of the note lasts longer than any other drumhead. The overtones I’ve learned to love. If I don’t play the REMO FIBERSKYN® 3 I miss the brightness. I need the loudest skin I can find on the market and Remo FIBERSKYN® 3 is it!"
Reasons for Playing Remo: "With the advent of the Remo synthetic drumheads, I’ve been able to play at outdoor venues without losing the tuning of the heads. I’ve finally found my sound with the Remo conga heads!"
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Let's not forget he's being paid to say that.
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« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2005, 10:09 AM » |
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I was in Portland yesterday and stopped at the African Rhythm Traders and bought a couple new conga skins. These came from Pakistan cows and looked good. They were $22, half the price of other skins. I figure it doesn't matter where the skin comes from as long as it was a good cow. I picked out ones with personality, patterned with colors, kind of medium to thin like I like 'em for quinto. Got one soaking in the tub right now and will let you know how it sounds when I get it mounted. I am replacing the 28 year old head on my 9 3/4" gon bop, but I'm keeping the old head in the wings, it still has that old good sound.
By the way, African Rhythm Trader have their own line of drums now and I got to play on them..... real nice drums and sound great. They are attractive, the shells look like LP Giovanni ash, pretty dark chrome comfort curve crowns. Their Thai 'oak' drums sound good too, look a lot like LPs in the curve of the shell and workmanship. All of them have water buffalo heads, but I think they are heavier than what LP puts on, the ART drums sound different than LPs, more crisp and dry, more like a gon bop. Maybe it is because they know how to tune a drum at ART and all of them in the showroom were tuned to perfection. Half the time you walk in a store somewhere and play an LP they sound bad just cause of the tuning. Anyway, I was impressed with the African Rhythm Trader drums.
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« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2005, 02:48 PM » |
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Ok, I have a question, I want to replace heads on my LP Aspires for better quality ones. Now, there are heads I found that are listed as "Latin Percussion Aspire Quinto Rawhide Conga Head" it's not only quinto, they have all three aspire sizes. Well question is: is rawhide mean cow? Or is it same water buffalo heads that are not so good by general consensus around here.
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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2005, 01:44 PM » |
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Rawhide means animal skin that has been not processesed other than cleaning , drying and hair removed. All LP heads are water buffalo.
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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2005, 08:05 PM » |
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Just changed out my LP Classic conga hide heads with nuskins. Can anyone give me an idea of how to take some of the ring out. Please do not say put the skins back on. I may do that, but want to give these a try. OK, I have to admit I put skin back on Tumba for the time being for sanity during practice.
Will gel pads, tape or anything help the ring. I like the sound, but a little too much ringing. Where do you get the gel pads if that is recommended, etc.
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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2005, 06:42 AM » |
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Duct tape somewhere on the head perhaps will curb it a bit... But, good ol' ear plugs help a bunch! Also, when you're playing with other drummers, you won't notice it as much.
To me, the real test of the drum note is how it sounds alone. If you don't like the sound of your own drum, then you need to change to what you like. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2005, 08:25 PM » |
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I recently changed out my skins for Remo Nuskins on LP Classic congas and I like them. They do not have a better sound than skin, but in Florida humidity they do not require constant tuning like my skins did.
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« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2006, 11:40 PM » |
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Hey folks,
Rather than start a new thread, I just thought I'd revive this one for a quick answer.
I have a pair of inexpensive congas (Toca) that I only use a few times a year. I used to keep them in the house, but now I have to keep them in boxes in the garage. Will this cause damage to the heads? I assume these are synthetic heads but I'm not certain.
Should I treat or moisten the heads before I use them again? I live in Phoenix and it's hotter and drier than hades right now. The winters are mild but over the course of a year, the temperature could vary by 100 degrees or more in there.
Thanks,
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« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2006, 01:14 AM » |
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Hey folks,
Rather than start a new thread, I just thought I'd revive this one for a quick answer.
I have a pair of inexpensive congas (Toca) that I only use a few times a year. I used to keep them in the house, but now I have to keep them in boxes in the garage. Will this cause damage to the heads? I assume these are synthetic heads but I'm not certain.
Should I treat or moisten the heads before I use them again? I live in Phoenix and it's hotter and drier than hades right now. The winters are mild but over the course of a year, the temperature could vary by 100 degrees or more in there.
Thanks,
All the Toca conga drums I've see have real skin heads. The drums need to be de-tuned if you are going to keep them in a hot garage. Loosen the heads for storage, but don't put any oil or moisturizers on the skin, it can make them stretch.
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« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2006, 02:29 PM » |
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i find there are so many variations in sound from drum to drum, brand to brand and head to head that it's hard to generalize. i play lp galaxy fiberglass congas w the original lp heads in tampa, and like how they sound. the more you play, the more broken in the heads begin to sound. or maybe its the more you play, the more you understand how to get a better sound out of what youve got. i ordered some remo fiberskyn 3s after playing them in various music stores and on the recommendation of one conga player i talked to. but after putting them on, i quickly took them off. too ringy, plastic-y. they are in my closet. i may give them another audition, though. one last thought: i too notice how good pro conga players sound on cd. like knocking on wood, firing pistol slaps, unbelievable speed, etc. but remember: thats studio sound that can be made to sound like anything anyone there wants. its not necessarily real, any more than full drum kits sound 'real' on many recordings.
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« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2006, 06:07 PM » |
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All the Toca conga drums I've see have real skin heads. The drums need to be de-tuned if you are going to keep them in a hot garage. Loosen the heads for storage, but don't put any oil or moisturizers on the skin, it can make them stretch.
Thanks Bongo! I'll pull them out and loosen the heads for storage.
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