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« on: December 20, 2001, 05:27 AM »

Do you use ear protection when you play, and if so, what do you use?

If you don't use ear protection, you should. Many musicians, especially drummers, are diagnosed with Tinnitus or ringing of the ears every day. In one day I've read of two cases on two other forums where drummers are experiencing Tinnitus.

If you'd like to find out more about Tinnitus and the causes, read my post in the 5-Minute Lesson: Tinnitus & Hyperacusis
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2001, 06:00 AM »

I personally use a number of things.

I preference is my Sennheiser HD-25-SP closed air headphones. Even if I'm not monitoring the mix or click via the headphones, I really like using them as ear protection. I can always slide the ear piece off slightly if I need more raw sound.

I also use the NORTH Sonic II ear plugs, which are okay for some live events ... but I still experience slight ringing in my ears if the gig is a high volume venue. There just isn't enough dB cut with the Sonic II's ... but they're nice.

I have been meaning to get in-ear monitors and use the moldings for ear protection even if I'm not monitoring off them; like the Sennheiser headphones. Unfortunately, I keep spending my money on other gear items ... and have had a rough time getting Future Sonics to call me back ... so it's a joint procrastination. Incase you haven't figured it out, I am wanting the Future Sonics in-ear monitors.

I'm planning to get my ear moldings done right after the new year. So hopefully I will be moving forward quickly with this!

God gave you one pair of ears; please take care of them! I am convinced that the number one piece of gear on EVERY drummers list should be Ear Protection of some sort. After that, the most important piece of gear is the Drum Throne.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2001, 01:01 PM »

I hate ear plugs!

At least the crappy ones that I have used...

I can't hear the nuances of what I am doing, then I start to play louder, especially on the hi hat and ride...

and if the guitar player has ear plugs, he keeps turning up the volume, or worse, the treble on his amp...

Considering the alternative of going deaf,  I would pay any price for something that really lowered the volume in a non-biased manner!

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sidereal
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2001, 02:51 PM »

Right now I'm using Quiet Down earplugs, which are made of goose down (thus the name). They offer a 20db cut, are quick to place in and out, and reveal the surrounding sound much better than your average drug store plug. But I still hate them, especially when singing. I'm going to get the... what are they called? etymonic? One of these days I'll get around to trying those out.
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Misenko
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2002, 12:08 PM »

Just last week at band practice a guy was asking if we wear ear plugs to which we responded...erm, we have them! He was telling us that he knows a lot of people with ear problems, so I'll be wearing ear plugs next time! the problem is that when the whole band wears ear plugs you lose almost everything in the noise of your own instrument, which makes it hard to play as a band! oh well though, I guess its better than going deaf, or worse, getting tinnitus.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2002, 05:59 AM »

yeah, I use ear protection (considering a drumkit can reach 110 dB!!)

I use the sort of headphones they use on a construction yard, they "close" your ears fully (the whole ear is covered by the headphone) and I like them, you hear a really fat sound when you hit a tom or bass, my drumkit sounds better with the headphone on!! Grin

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Misenko
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2002, 08:45 AM »

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I use the sort of headphones they use on a construction yard, they "close" your ears fully (the whole ear is covered by the headphone) and I like them, you hear a really fat sound when you hit a tom or bass, my drumkit sounds better with the headphone on!!  


Funny you should say that, cause I use ones like that! I got them off my dads old Chainsaw set, they are REALLY cool! They make the kit sound soooo bassy!  Grin

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2002, 05:53 AM »

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Funny you should say that, cause I use ones like that! I got them off my dads old Chainsaw set, they are REALLY cool! They make the kit sound soooo bassy!  Grin

Misenko.

Yeah I know, I only work outside, so I work alot with machines like tractors, chainsaws...........,so... Grin
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2002, 09:55 AM »

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Yeah I know, I only work outside, so I work alot with machines like tractors, chainsaws...........,so...  

YEAH! who needs those pansy little earplugs! These fat (bright orange for me :-/) things are so much better! Wink

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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2002, 12:40 AM »

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YEAH! who needs those pansy little earplugs! These fat (bright orange for me :-/) things are so much better! Wink

Misenko.

Yeah, I have sort of army green colored headphones (brand = Peltor)..........and indeed they are much better........and don't fall out your ears........ Grin
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2002, 11:17 AM »

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I'm going to get the... what are they called? etymonic? One of these days I'll get around to trying those out.
VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!

They are called Ear Gear by Westone and the technology is Etymotic Research.
I've had mine for about 5 years now and they are super!

Like the monitor plugs Bart mentioned, they take an impression of your ears and make up the custom ear pieces to order. Then, you just clip in the filters in whatever decibel reduction you require. They come in ER-15, ER-20, and ER-25 I think, depending on what db amount you want to knock off. The filters are an actual vibrating membrane that simulates your ear drum but cuts the decibels.

The beauty of these things is that they are so comfortable you don't even know you have them in AND the decibel reduction is even across the frequency range, so there is no sound distortion. The music sounds NATURAL, just less loud. In fact, it allows for greater definition in hearing detail because the acoustic din is removed. You can hear BETTER.

Look up an audiologist or a hearing aid dealer locally because they're the ones who do this kind of work. If memory serves, it costs in the range of $125. for the custom ear pieces and a set of filters. You can buy additional filters if you have varying volume conditions. Pricey for sure . . . BUT WELL WORTH IT.


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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2002, 11:30 AM »

Those things are great!  I had a pair for about 4 years, and eventually lost them.  Yes they are pricey up front, but in the long run, are less expensive.  Think about it, the foam ones are about 50 cents a pair, right?  Well, you really shouldn't use those more than 3 or 4 times before you toss them out, so let's take that further and say 2 per week.  That means in 5 years you have spent roughly $260.  With the "good ones", you still would only have spent $150 or so.  Smart buy, and I plan on re buying them in a few months!!
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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2002, 12:53 PM »

I use a local version of the er-25 - the only problem is that they don't go as deep into the ear so smiling or grimacing on stage is usually met with a burst of high end.  Oh well.

For practicing with CDs I use construction ear muffs.  I wear bud type headphones and then put the ear muffs over - the CD sounds great, I don't have to have the music very loud and the drum sound is greatly reduced.

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yeah, I use ear protection (considering a drumkit can reach 110 dB!!)

I've measured my snare drum at 120db - it could probably be higher but I was holding the db meter in one hand and holding the drum stick with the other.

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Rob
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2002, 02:25 PM »

Got tinitus in my left ear from sitting over a Bell Brass Snare Drum. Not so bad in town with the general background ambience, but very loud when sleeping in the country - keeps me awake sometimes. Had a pair of those in-ear jobbies made in Chicago where they take a mould of the inside of your ear. Found them REALLY uncomfortable when singing so went back to wedging cotton wool in my ears and turning up the monitoring. Scared myself silly one day by forgetting to put anything in my ears and hitting the kick drum - monitors were behind me and I thought the end of the world had arrived!

For rehearsal I use some green 'shooting' headphones that have mikes in them. These compress the sound whilst playing but enable you to hear what everyone else is saying in the quiet bits. Look a bit daft but the feeling of relief when you take them off and realise you can still hear is immense!

When I go to see gigs I use those wax things that you roll into a sausage and shove in your ear. I actually think bands sound better with them in now - seems to flatten the mix out and make it easier to pick out individual instruments.
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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2002, 02:56 PM »

When watching bands play I'll often use my er-25s or some of the rolled foam ones (I carry both),  I agree with Commander, they really do clear up a lot - they get rid of some crowd noise, remove excess reverb and really clean up the mix.  On the bad side I find that the gig sometimes feels stale.  I went to see the Gin Blossoms several years ago and thought the band were having a bad night and that the crowd was only so-so.  Then I took out my earplugs.  The band were having a great night and the crowd were loving them, but my plugs made me feel like I wasn't part of the audience.  The impact was gone.

Even though I've never tried them, I understand when musicians say that the vibe is gone when using IEMs, there's a lot to be said for all that comforting noise at a gig Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2002, 08:20 AM »

Since working with a few bands at College Ive found that ear protection is a must.  Like a few of the other chaps said though, I do find myself playing louder on the hats and ride cymbal.  Can any of the English fellas recommend a good all round (and hopefully not too expensive) system for ear protection which we can get over here?

Thanks all
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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2002, 09:00 AM »

Etymotic specialise in this stuff but they can be a bit expensive. Visit www.etymotic.com and check them out. Failing that nip down to Boots and get some wax balls (ooh err missus!). If you aren't bothered about looking like a twit then get some shooting (green) or industrial (orange) headphones. These are brilliant, but sadly wouldn't encourage too much in the way of after-show activity with the opposite sex if used in a live situation!
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2002, 11:49 AM »

Thanks for that mate.  Muchly appreciated!
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Dudeken
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2002, 11:26 PM »

  I've always been concerned about my hearing.  Been going to hearing aid dept. at Sears every other year for about 10yrs now for my free hearing test.  They don't give me a copy of the test but they always go over the charted results with me.  I've lost a little 2k in my left ear (years of turning up the vocal monitor) and the after gig ringing has been staying with me longer than before Sad.
  I've occasionally used foam disposables over the years, but always found it more difficult to clearly hear myself sing.  I recently aquired a set of Shure in-ear E5 monitors and the small Behringer mixboard mxb1002.  I have not used this system in a live gig setting yet, but it is excellent for personal rehearsal.  It's got me back to working with the metronome Cheesy, and I can hear my vocals 10x better.  The most important benefit is I can adjust volume and mix levels while still enjoying the decibel protection from the cymbals and snare.
           
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Misenko
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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2002, 03:38 AM »

I just recently bought some new earplugs mainly for live situations, but I they are really good. they are called ER-20 HIgh Fidelity Earplugs. They REALLY make a difference, its so much easier to practice with them, cause they cut out sound levels pretty evenly, which means you can hear everyone a lot clearer! Good earplugs are DEFINATLY a necessary purchase. Grin

Misenko.
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