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« on: April 17, 2003, 09:00 AM » |
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Whats the best way to mic a Djembe for live application?
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2003, 09:29 AM » |
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since dumbek's are along the same lines as djembe's (both goblet drums) ill share my dumbek mic'ing ideas.
for live play, ill use two mics if possible. one on the head side, and one at the bottom end. most of the bass gets channeled out the bottom so its nice to have that mic'ed to add to the mix. if i have a choice, a typical drum dynamic on the head, condenser on the bottom.
if i only have one mic to work with, ill just mic the head side. if i can ill use a dynamic with a good low end to it. (dynamics tend to smooth out the high end some which is probably not necessary on a djembe actually). since youll probably want to comp for the low end loss.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2003, 10:14 AM » |
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Its been quite a while since I've played much un the way of percussion other than the drum set. I never learned the technical names for what I was doing many years ago, the job simply needed doing so I did it. I've since learned some more technical stuff, pertaining to vocabulary (still I don't know too much in this are). I saw a micing technique used for what I believe you refer to as the WIND voice- the scratching of the head or rubbing it with the fingers, fingernails, etc. A performer I saw on TV had this real cool effect whereby he held a microphone with one hand just above the other hand which was making various scratching noises. Couple this with a digital delay and perhaps some reverb, etc. had a real cool windy echoing effect. That was during the verses if I recall, otherwise the mic was, I believe, on a stand- the djembe was being worn around the shoulders/between the legs while he was standing.
I guess all of this demonstration of my lack of knowledge to say, whatever you do- if you are going to mic it- use the mic as well
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2003, 11:16 AM » |
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I know that many people mic the top and bottom, but for live events, I think it's a waste ... unless there is no drummer, just percussion, and the PA can handle the low-end.
You'd be surprised just how much low-end you can get, just micking the drum from the top.
For recording sessions, I do mic top and bottom to get the blend that I want. But typically you can never have too much of the bottom mic because the low-end interferes with the bass guitar and/or the kick drum.
It all depends on your situation. If you have the mics and channels available, go ahead and mic top and bottom of the djembe. If you mix the bottom mic in, I will venture to say that you will use very little of it in most situations ... unless of course you don't have any other instruments covering the low side of the frequency spectrum.
As far as placement ... I like to use a large diaphragm condenser mic ... like a AKG 414B (or the like) ... and position it forward and above the djembe anywhere from 12 to 24 inches. This is great for studio recording, but for live work, you'll need to move it closer. In that case, you could use a dynamic mic for the task. There's a lot of SPL coming off the drum if you play it in the traditional manner. The slaps are like gun shots, so don't mic it too close ... but also not too far away. Obviously you want to also position the mic so that it does not get in the way of your playing.
Tuning and the venue play a huge role in mic placement as well ... not to mention the surrounding instruments. I would experiment to find the best for your situation.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2003, 12:28 PM » |
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I know that many people mic the top and bottom, but for live events, I think it's a waste ... unless there is no drummer, just percussion. very good point i missed.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2003, 12:48 PM » |
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if you choose to use two mics, when i was starting off and playing just a "circle drum" it was called, i used a broken (the strap part was broken) sony headphone taped over the hole on the bottom, it worked good and dang cheap...
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2003, 01:04 PM » |
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What if I use an audio technica pro35x (small clip-on condenser) to avoid having to use a boom stand?
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2003, 02:19 PM » |
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Fireftr125, Can you tell us what kind of venue, style of music, etc. you'll be playing in? In my experience, about 90% of the time, you'll be absolutely fine with one mic on the top. You'd be amazed how much low end gets picked up with just a mic on top, depending on the drum of course. I've done this in quiet restaurant gigs as well as in loud club gigs and it's always been enough. Also makes the soundman MUCH happier.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2003, 02:28 PM » |
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Its not letting me access that page.
Im actually working with another band, as their sound engineer. Im not sure on the music type- I think its like an Incubus rip off. Ive only had to mic up bongos, and congas before-never a djembe.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2003, 08:23 AM » |
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Are you going to mount the Djembe or strap it on for movement?
I've seen many people use a wireless (lavalear(sp?)-like) microphone clamped unto the far end of the head. It was a drum mic, but can't remember the kind off hand. Either way, it allowed the player to move freely about and added a lot to the performance.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2003, 09:33 PM » |
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My advice is to get an Audix D4 and use the May internal mic system. Get it as close to the head as possible so you can get as much high end as possible. (Don't worry about the low end, you'll have absolutely no problem there.  ) I have a Senheiser 604C inside my djembe right now and it sounds great after some EQ. Of course, after I bought the Senheiser, I discovered the Audix. I think that the Audix won't need any EQ. If it does, it shouldn't need much. Side note: Don't use internal mics on congas. They sound like total butt. I don't know what internal mics sound like on drums, but I do know I like them on djembes and not on congas.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2003, 10:22 AM » |
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I'm a big, big fan of internally mic'ing percussion. get yourself a 3/8" bolt and some washers and nuts, drill a hole, screw on a mic clip and chuck in an sm57-- you're done. homemade may system.
you can take this further by using a mic w/ an integrated mount (the e604 or shure beta or pg56 come to mind), and installing a jack in the shell and making solder connections.
I mic my dhol from the inside w/ 2 mics, as well as my tabla... for live gigs, you're generally not going to get a ton of character from the instrument. a well-tuned drum will sound like a well tuned drum through a PA; thus, OK mics that are well-placed should do a fine job.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2003, 02:56 PM » |
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Not sure where you're playing or how you play,, but if you're a ripping hand drummer,, you wouldn't need amplification - most everyone in an intimate audience like a coffee house would need earplugs to withstand the awesome power of a djembe!  But, if you're tapping on it, well then maybe it's needed.. For the super loud gig with rock musicians in a big hall or outside, I'd go with the outside top clip-on placement. The AT clip-on mentioned earlier would probably do fine. My favorite is the AKG C419. Dave
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2003, 07:20 AM » |
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At my church (full orchestra, drumset, choir etc, in a 1500ish seat auditorium) I've got a pair of congas I play. Problem w/ micing from the top is that I've got a tamb and wood block there, and those don't need miced at all. How would you mic in this situation? I've thought about using a pair of mics underneath, one on each drum.
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2003, 09:47 PM » |
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The trouble with micing from the bottom is the everpresent bass reflex. Most stages offer overpowering bass reflex about up to the knees or sometimes even hip height. So, when you turn it up to equal the guitar, horns, or whatever then the you get bass feedback or major muddiness. Then, the soundman either turns you down and you aren't amplified, or turns the eq up so that you sound like high hats. If you mic from the top, or maybe even a side that doesn't get in your way, then you get the truer sound.
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