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« on: January 10, 2002, 05:48 AM »

I think I've done something to my back that is not going away.  It has been bothering me the last few weeks and will not go away.  I used to pride myself on my strong back.  Well, you know what they say about pride.

Anyways, should I see a chiropractor or an accupuncture person.  I've never done either and quite frankly would rather see an MD and get pills LOL...but that isn't good .

It's almost like I have a pinched nerve right in the middle of my spine but I think it's a muscle.  Rest helps.

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2002, 06:24 AM »

I'd see a MD first, possibly a mild muscle relaxer will clean it up (i.e. Ibuprofin (advil))

Of course when it comes to your health don't believe anything you read on the internet !! Roll Eyes

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2002, 07:10 AM »

Not to start a big war over this, but personally, I'd suggest visiting a chiropractor before visiting the MD for this particular situation.  Fortunately, I've not had any serious back problems, but my wife hurt her back a couple of years ago, and her chiropractor has done wonders for her.  Not only have her regular visits been beneficial, when she first had her problems he was able to suggest muscle relaxants to augment his chiropractic work.

The MDs she visited basically threw pills at her (figuratively speaking) - one doing so without even examining her back!  It has been my experience that MDs tend to reach for the meds a little too quickly, when other treatments could work just as well, if not better.  Too often, they treat the symptom rather than the root cause of a problem.

Neither I nor anyone else I know has any experience with acupuncture, so I can't comment on it.

As always, YMMV, IMHO, etc....
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2002, 07:43 AM »

GO to a Chiropractor.  Many Chiropractors are able to do accupuncture anyway.  The Chiro that I go to did accupunture on me a bit, and it helped somewhat with my headaches.  The adjustments do wonders for the back, wrists, legs, hips, head, etc.  The muscle hurts because it is probably being forced to lie incorrectly, for whatever reason.  A chiro(usually through a series of visits that will probably include adjustmens, therapy, and maybe even accupunture) can help to make the muscle lie properly, and therfore, stop the pain.  

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2002, 08:16 AM »

Well , to add to the controversery, both proponents of "Bone crackers" mention regular visits. i.e. if you go to a chiropractor be prepared to continue going (regular visits) for who knows how long !

food for thought

Again, IMHO YMMV caveat emptor...

 Bottom line: hope you feel better soon
  
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2002, 08:35 AM »

Yeah, I think I pulled it playing "tug" with my parents huge golden retriever.

It is no fun
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2002, 09:19 AM »

My view is to do neither.

Give yourself a few days, and perhaps go see a Massage Therapist. Chances are it's a muscle related issue that could be worked out slowly. Going to a "bone cracker" scares me to death. Actually, anyone messing with my back scares me.

If the problem persists, I would get an X-ray done before I'd let anyone start cracking my back, giving me pills or poking me with little needles. For me, the massage is the least obtrusive and the least likely to make things worse. Get the X-ray if the massage doesn't help; this way you can rule out disc and vertibrae issues.

Also, drink lot's of water!  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2002, 09:59 AM »

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My view is to do neither.

Give yourself a few days, and perhaps go see a Massage Therapist. Chances are it's a muscle related issue that could be worked out slowly. Going to a "bone cracker" scares me to death. Actually, anyone messing with my back scares me.

If the problem persists, I would get an X-ray done before I'd let anyone start cracking my back, giving me pills or poking me with little needles. For me, the massage is the least obtrusive and the least likely to make things worse. Get the X-ray if the massage doesn't help; this way you can rule out disc and vertibrae issues.

The stereotype of violent "bone cracking" is grossly overhyped, IMHO.  Sometimes there's a cracking noise during treatments, but hell, I sometimes get that myself when I crouch down like a baseball catcher.  

I stayed in the treatment room during my wife's first sessions, as she was in quite a bit of pain, and her chiro's treatment never approached anything like "bone cracking."

FWIW, when I took my wife in to her chiro' for her first visit, when she hurt her back and couldn't stand up straight, the first thing he did was take an X-ray.

Also, as with any other profession, not all chiropractors are equally skilled.  Ask around and see who in your area might recommend one; don't just flip through the Yellow Pages.


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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2002, 02:15 AM »

It's getting a little better now that I am away from the dog.

Maybe I can bribe my wife into giving me a back rub this weekend?  I'll have to probably clean my tools out of our kitchen first.  You married guys can relate to that.

Time to practice.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2002, 06:00 AM »

If you've been married as long as I have you'll have a better chance of getting that back rub from the dog..



Yes dear just kidding, I'll come upstairs now.....
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2002, 06:54 AM »

Well, speaking of back rub ... I'm on my way to get something better ....... a professional massage.

Ladies & Gentlemen, may I have your attention please!

If you've never had a massage therapist work you over, I HIGHLY recommend it. My wife and I have decided that we would each go once a month ... and it's heavenly. In fact, we view it as a health enhancer and the money spent keeps us from going to the doctor. I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend a little money each month, enjoy the entire massage experience ... rather than wind up at the doctor and pay big $$$.

The massage gets all the toxic junk out of my muscles, loosens me up, and feels GREAT!
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2002, 07:31 AM »

That does sound good.  My bass player's gf has a liscense in that voodoo.

Jeez, I hope I don't get a boner.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2002, 08:09 AM »

any of you guys heard of the Anderson technique? kinda like chiro meets massage but it also concentrates on posture (sp?) and correcting bad habits. very popular with many orchestral types i've known, as its goals can include playing longer with better stamina due to less stress on the body.

my wife and i trade massages all the time, but then again we've only been married about a year...oh @$%#!, 1st anniversary!!!! man i gotta get me a present fast. isn't the 1st called the paper ann. or something? Shocked Grin

hey, i thought the kiddy filter had been turned off around here...poop indeed...sheeeeiiiiit...
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2002, 10:08 AM »

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hey, i thought the kiddy filter had been turned off around here...poop indeed...sheeeeiiiiit...
I never said I turned it off ... but I did modify it so you potty mouths will feel better! LOL
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2002, 10:42 AM »

I used to date a massage therapist. That was nice. Thing is, that's also something you'd need to keep doing on a regular basis. The first few sessions kinda suck too, because the day after it actually hurts more. But if you keep doing it it's wonderful. Now I don't date her anymore, but I do yoga to keep my back in shape. Again... yoga's something you have to keep doing on a regular basis.

So my advice... stay away from the dog.

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2002, 02:09 PM »

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I used to date a massage therapist. That was nice.

ME TOO!!!

She was also a hair stylist.

Ah ... the good ole days. Free massages and haircuts.

I dated another gal that was a hair stylist ... but she gave terrible back rubs.  Grin
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2002, 04:55 PM »

Felix, if all you did was pull a muscle, it probably doesn't matter who you see.  Muscles strains usually resolve regardless of what you do.  Medications won't help much though other than to help you sleep.  Massage may help.  Message relaxes muscles and increases blood flow to the tissue areas being massaged.  It's a temporary effect but can make you feel better.  Muscles guard when injured and message can decrease muscle guarding.

Chiropractic may help.  Many Chiropractors use modalities such as Ultrasound and High Voltage Galvanic Stimulation to fascilitate muscle relaxation.  The former is a deep heat at the bone muscle interface and the latter causes the muscles to tighten slightly and the relax.  Heat helps muscle relax.  Both can be provided by Physical Therapists too but you need a MD prescription to see a PT.  

Bone Setting is an ancient practice the techniques of which are used today by Osteopaths who are manually trained and Chiropractors as well as more and more PT's and a few MD's.  The crack you hear is called gapping and we don't understand what makes the sound.  The principle is that by mobilizing or manipulating the joint, physiologic motion is restored allowing muscles to relax.  It's muscle tension from guarding that usually causes the joint to tighten in the first place.

Very similar results can often be achieved by stretching your back muscles gently to allow them to relax.  This can be done easily by bending forward from a seated position until you feel the muscles tighten and then hold in that range until they relax, gradually taking up the slack until they relax completely.  Usually over about a minute or so.

If you have pain radiating into a leg, change in bladder function, numbness in a leg, weakness in the leg or other symptoms, you should probably see a physician.  Some Chiropractors will refer you to one.  A family physician may refer you to PT but if you have those symptoms, seeing a specialist in Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation would be a good option.  

This is a very complex topic that is hard to do justice in a message forum like this.  But if your symptoms don't improve, e-mail me and I can see if I can give you more specific advice.
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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2002, 10:41 AM »

Angry Man, I hate doing that.  I've pulled my back several times over the years.  The best thing I have found is gel packs that you put in the freezer.  Their called hot / cold packs up here.  Wrap them up with a layer of t-shirt material, to keep the pack comfortable.  You can't put it on direct it's too cold.  Only keep the pack on for 12 minutes (15 minutes max.).  If you keep ice on it for too long it can damage the nerves in that area.  The packs lose their coldness as you ice so it's not like real ice wrapped in a towel like they use at the hospitals.  Those are really cold Shocked.  If it's unbearably cold, wrap another layer of t-shirt material around it.   I've went to chiropractors many times.  But, when there is inflammation in the area, it has to be reduced before trying to manipulate the joints.  If you can find a doctor that works with sports injuries you would be better off than your average MD.  Anti inflammatories and ice packs work the best for controlling inflammation.
I'm not a doctor, see a doctor before trying anything.

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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2002, 12:07 PM »

ok...if only my brain worked sometimes...

it's called the Alexander techinque, not Anderson as i misspoke before...

http://www.alexandertechnique.com/
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2002, 09:08 AM »

Well... wow, I almost puked after reading about the bone cracker definition from the Skip.

I popped a lot of motrin this weekend and lugged a few speaker cabs...and I'm not worse for the wear.  

My wife was rubbing my back and noticed a big knot in it...I guess those things can get worked out...but I'm ok.

I hate to whine...I'm getting better...too bad I love the darn dog so much.
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