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« on: June 01, 2003, 10:06 AM »

Hello everyone,

       I am planning on playing at my church in the Worship band. There are already 2 other drummers.
I would like to get some drum set sheet music or drum charts for worship songs, like Kindness by Chris Tomlin etc. I know some of you are thinking to your selves... make up a part.  I can but I would prefer to have the exact part. I'm funny that way.

Can I buy just the drumset part or do I have to get vocals, guitar drums, piano all in onepackage?

If I can buy it separate where can I get this?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2003, 10:27 AM »

Hello everyone,

       I am planning on playing at my church in the Worship band. There are already 2 other drummers.
I would like to get some drum set sheet music or drum charts for worship songs, like Kindness by Chris Tomlin etc. I know some of you are thinking to your selves... make up a part.  I can but I would prefer to have the exact part. I'm funny that way.

Can I buy just the drumset part or do I have to get vocals, guitar drums, piano all in onepackage?

If I can buy it separate where can I get this?

Well, for that music to be available, somebody will have had to transcribe what that drummer played, and then published it. So I don't know how good the odds are of that being the case.

Bear in mind, the drummer who made those recordings was probably just given a very skeletal chart - a "roadmap" of how the song went. Each drummer will interpret a drum chart differently, and the same drummer may not play that chart exactly the same way each time. If those charts are available, I think you'll be surprised by how little exact notation they contain. Most charts just offer suggestions for feels, like 16th-note oriented rock, or uptempo swing, etc. They are used more for letting the drummer know what sections the song contains, and how long each of those sections lasts.

If you can't find a published transcription of what the drummer played, you could make it your mission to transcribe those parts. I'm a BIG advocate of transcribing - it's really a huge skill-builder for drummers.

Sorry not to be more helpful - let us know if you do find transcriptions of these songs. Good luck!
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2003, 10:31 AM »

Mr. Acrolite,

   Can you suggest a good transcribing program?

I will be happy to transcribe songs but I don't know of any good easy to use programs.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2003, 10:43 AM »

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Can you suggest a good transcribing program?

I don't use a program - I use notebook paper and a pencil!

Orazio turned me on to some software that slows music down, making it easier to hear - it's called the Amazing SlowDowner, and is available here:

http://www.ronimusic.com/

But beyond that, it's just a lot of repeated listening and painstaking writing - at least that's the way *I* know how to do it!

If you're talking about how to get it nicely written using a computer, do a search for "music notation software." I use Finale Allegro, but there are numerous programs available.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2003, 10:47 AM »

thank you
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2003, 01:44 AM »

I've been playing in church now for about 9 years and have yet to find anything charted for drums.  I do exactly what Mr. Acrolite does, but most of the time I can figure songs out without transcribing them.  If it's a more complex song, I will ask for the lyric chart and make my own notes for drum intros, stops, bridges, endings, etc.

One thing I learned early on when I was in my first rock-n-roll band was to play the music through the PA or a bass amp, which brought out the thump of the bass drum.  This greatly helped me decipher more complex beats.  Good quality headphones work well too.

One last thing...I used to be rather anal about playing covers exactly as the original drummer did, but now I prefer to add my style to songs, so long as the beat remains appropriate.

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2003, 05:53 AM »

Having played in churches for most of my professional career, including recording many Praise & Worship albums ... there are no drum charts for the music.

The only thing that is used (that would come close) would be a rhythm chart. 99.9% of the drummers have to create their own parts in the church setting. Even when I'm hired to play at large events and conferences, all I'm given are rhythm charts and CD copy of the tunes.

You're going to have to listen to the original recording in order to hear what the drummer is doing. But as Mr. A pointed out, the drummer on the recording just made up his part with very little direction; I can promise you that! The only time you'll even find style suggestions (ie. Funk Samba, etc.) is if the music has been professionally published. Lead sheets are usually provided from the publisher if the music was intended for church use. It is only when there is an arranger on the project, who makes his arrangements available for publication, that you'll see something notated with any type of detail. They might give you a basic beat ... but from there it's like reading a Big Band chart.

Almost always, I have to make my own charts and note what was played on the original recording.

To take it a step further, I would encourage you to listen to the recording, get the basic idea, maybe write out the overall groove for the song, note where fills and figures should be played ... and then play it YOUR way!  Of all places, the church music genre should be the most expressive place for any musician. You're worshiping God ... so let your playing be a creative expression of worship. Praise & Worship is so different than any other style or genre of music. You are really playing for an audience of One ... the Big Guy.

Here's a quick little analogy I use when I teach seminars on this topic:

When you get a holiday card from someone, let's say one that is wishing you a Happy Birthday or a Thank You card, the individual goes out and buys you a card and signs it right? Typically, if the sender has a close relationship with you, they'll write a special little note on the card as well, then sign it. So, when you open the card and read it ....... what part do you remember the most? I will almost bet that you remember the parts that were hand written, because they came from the sender's heart. I never remember what the printed card says; it's always some type of poem or rhyme. But I sure remember what the person wrote in there ... even if it's just "I love you" ... because it came from their heart ... not something they bought of the shelf that everyone else could also buy. In fact, I will typically read the hand written stuff FIRST ... later to go back and read the printed card. Sometimes I even gloss over the printed card ... never really reading it fully. In my mind I'm thinking ... "yeah, yeah, blah, blah ... I want to read what _____ says about me."  I think God is like that. The songs that are written and sung to Him ... I'm sure He likes just fine ... but what He really likes is what Lori does, what she says on her instrument,  that is all Lori. God's probably thinking, "yeah, yeah, blah, blah ... I heard so-and-so play express that same thing last time I heard this song ... I want to hear what Lori has to say!"

I understand you wanting to copy what is on the CD; I do the same thing. There's nothing wrong with that. But I want to encourage you to BE FREE to express yourself, keeping yourself within the limits of the song (if that's what is appropriate at your church). You don't have to play exactly what was on the album. No one will know but you!

If it's a covertune, whether it's religious or secular, I never try to copy it note for note. No one is going to know the difference ... UNLESS ... the fill or figure is part of the hook or signature of the song. It's just like playing at a club. Most songs people don't know what the drummers played. But if you are talking about some tune like BTO's "We're An American Band" ... you are going to get a hard time if you don't play the open drum intro like it was on the album. That's part of the hook, and it's in people's minds.

Hope this helps a little bit. I could go on and on.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2003, 05:59 AM »

Thank you guys for the suggestions.

I will do try all of them. I think my main concern is the fact that I haven't played in a church/worship setting and there are two other drummers that are guys.  I just want to sound good! I'd like to stand out but I don't want to stand out as the female drummer that stinks.

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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2003, 12:51 PM »

I play in a church affiliated with a large P&W publishing interest, the Vineyard Music Group. They generally publish four albums a year. Much of their music transcends our group and is used in churches around the world. I like the music, but I find the rhythm parts very calculated. I believe anyone who listens to a lot of over-produced Nashville music can come in and nail the drum parts with little (and sometimes no) practice.

I tend to personalize every song we play. I don't often agree with the arrangements, particularly since we aren't always able to play the same arrangements that are on the CD. I think this is most important when playing the modern stuff. When the leader is a keyboardist, for example, instead of an acoustic guitarist like on the CD, you're probably going to need to play more sparse than what was recorded. If the situation is reversed, you'll probably need to fill up the empty space more.

Like Bart said, try to express yourself on your instrument and not worry so much about making it sound like it's off the CD. That's priority one in worship. Don't let your pride get in the way. If people don't notice you and get into worship, then you've done an A+ job!
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2003, 05:49 PM »

Nicely said guys.  Bart, you never cease to amaze me.  Smiley


...if you are talking about some tune like BTO's "We're An American Band"...
Wasn't this Grand Funk (Railroad) who did this song?  Wink

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2003, 06:39 PM »

Nicely said guys.  Bart, you never cease to amaze me.  Smiley Wasn't this Grand Funk (Railroad) who did this song?  Wink

Yes. I stand corrected. Grand Funk did the tune.

Well ... are you still amazed?  Roll Eyes  For every ounce of wisdom that I expel ... there's always something that comes out of my mouth, revealing my immense lack of mental acumen.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2003, 08:21 AM »

"American Woman" is by The Guess Who.  
BTO is a spin-off of The Guess Who.

"American Woman", "American Band"...  The songs are from the same era and have a similar sound.
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