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« on: June 16, 2003, 04:15 PM » |
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I recently bought a new-to-me Yamaha stage custom and have been having a problem with my right foot, that I didn't previously have. I get 2 sounds with every kick. I discussed this with my teacher and he thought that it could be either that the head is too tight or that my technic might be off and we worked on that. I used to keep the beater against the head and we worked on letting it bounce off, and relaxing the foot. (heel up)
I'm still getting the double...the beater hits, bounces off and hits again. It's almost like there is too much play in the pedal...could this be so? I don't want to start messing with the head, unless I have to.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2003, 04:53 PM » |
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Sounds like either the head OR the pedal's spring is too tight, thus getting too much rebound!
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2003, 04:54 PM » |
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you might be able to adjust the pedal so you wouldn't have to mess with the head. the easiest way to fix this is to adjust your technique though. i switched bass heads and pedals at the same time and it took me a few days to get used to the huge change.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2003, 06:36 PM » |
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Uh huh...too much rebound. Very bouncy beater  I think (or hope) adjusting to a different pedal might be part of it. I did notice tonight that if I put more force in the attack, that helped. I'll give it a little more time, then if I can't iron it out, I'll start with the spring tension. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2003, 02:19 AM » |
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Yeah, you should probably try loosening your pedal's spring to a loser tension, that will surely help!
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2003, 03:44 AM » |
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a beater pad on the head might help as well. it has a slight amount of give, that could help that extra bounce, but technique would be the way to really fix this issue.
Bart has a 5 minute lesson on BD technique. I'd read though that.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2003, 08:25 AM » |
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Personally, I keep the beater side of my bass drum as loose as possible. But why not try borrowing or using your older pedal to compare the new one to.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2003, 09:19 AM » |
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Per a Dave Weckl video this is caused by the bass drum and the beater of the kick pedal not being aligned together properly causing the beater to "dribble" off the bass drum.
It has been a while since I have watched the video but, what I remember him sayings it to tilt the bass drum back so that when the beater hits the head it is perfectly flat.
Dave went on to say that if the drum is tilted too far forward or backward this dribble affect would happen.
I have experimented with this and I found that because my batter head is not very tight I dont have this problem.
YMMV
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jamava
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2003, 12:56 PM » |
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Thanks! That's a lot of good working material...That's what I love about this place! I've been running back and forth...checking things out. The beater is pretty flat against the head. The head has a little give when I push on it...and I discovered that I can't replicate the double hits when I use my hand to work the pedal Guess I'll be working on that technic! (going to get a beater pad too!) |
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2003, 01:46 PM » |
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I had this same problem several years ago during a recording session. After a take, the engineer was playing back the drums, then isolated the kick drum, and I was getting "multiple" hits (bounce back). I've found that this had more to do with my technique than either the setup of the pedal or the tension on the head. I play heel up and what was happening (to me anyway) was that my foot was too far back on the pedal, thereby creating the "bounce". I adjusted my foot so that it is closer to the kick drum and along with being "aware" that I was actually doing this, was able to get rid of the "bounce". If I'm not careful, even today, I get the "bounce" because I play my pedal closer to the middle sometimes in order to get more speed. YMMV
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2003, 02:49 PM » |
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I play heel up and what was happening (to me anyway) was that my foot was too far back on the pedal, thereby creating the "bounce".
Interestingly, about a month ago, my teacher had me move my foot back some on the pedal. Said there was a "sweet spot". Sounds like I missed it! I keep hearing about these "sweet spots" : on the pedals, on the heads, on the sticks. Couldn't the manufacturers just mark them?? s.s. would do...or just a little red dot!  |
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2003, 03:51 PM » |
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try cutting a whole in the resonant head opposite the batter head. allows the air to escape and lessens that bubble like bounce you get with the pedal.
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