There's a new episode of Drummer Cafe TV airing this week. Features an interview with Mark Miller, founder of StikYard percussion ensemble.


Drummer Cafe Community Forum
December 03, 2008, 05:58 PM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
News: Christmas CD featuring Bart on drums & percussion.
 
   Home   Login Register  
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: I Need Recommendations  (Read 2053 times)
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« on: June 20, 2003, 09:53 AM »

Alright, i'm ready to get into some percussion. I realize you may have had a subject like this before, but I have some more specific questions.

My first question is simple: Should I keep with name brand company products (Like LP) when I go to buy some percussion instruments, or is it better to branch out into smaller brands?

Another question I have is, which do you guys think is the best percussion instrument to start out with? Or in other words, what will I be using the most? I would guess instruments like bongos, congas, djembes, ones like that, but let me know if I'm wrong.

Please bare in mind, i'm not looking for beginner percussion products that I'll have to get rid of as I get better. I'm out to get some good quality percussion stuff that will last a long while.

I would appreciate any recommendations for what brands you like the best and why, what instrument you think I should go for first, and where to look to get it for the best price.

Thanks in advance!
Logged
Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member

Online Online

Posts: 5646


Mr. Positive


WWW
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2003, 10:12 AM »

Great idea for a thread - I look forward to the responses.

I'd suggest you look at the styles of music you enjoy most, and see what percussion instruments are most prevalent. Years ago, congas would have been the obvious first choice for most styles, but in recent years the advent of "world" music have made drums like djembes more prevalent. So look and see what the percussionists in the bands you like are playing these days.

My guess is that congas are still a good first choice, but I'll be interested to see what REAL percussionists think (I suck on hand percussion). Bart?
Logged

Hit on 2. Repeat on 4.
(instructions found written on Mr. A's snare drum)

my drummerworld page
563
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 6612


drum + hand


WWW
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2003, 10:36 AM »

yeah, acro's right.  i dont any latin percussion because its not a part of what i do (though i will be getting congas before long just for fun) but i own more arabic percussion than a lot of folks.  

as for brands, LP, Toca, and Remo all make fine stuff (and ive heard good things about Meinl and Pearl as well).  but there will always be specialists that can do "better".   in latin stuff the old Gon Bops and current Sol are some of the nicest ive ever heard.  

this also brings up the notion of traditional vs modern stuff.  like rope and goat djembe's vs bolt and synthetic.   in my opinion though thats all a matter of taste and use.  for me, bolt and synthetic makes more sense and i like the sound just fine.  for others its a hanging offense Wink
Logged

Making bad art.  Saying stupid things.  Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here.

The Luna Moth
me
Tableland
psycht
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 1420

iPod - Its what's for dinner!


WWW
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2003, 11:40 AM »

Since your a Georgia boy (like myself) I'll introduce you to a little less-known place in East Atl, that will be a great investment.
 Smiley
www.earthshakingmusic.com is the URL.  Any (and most all) ethnic percussion is available, as well as lessions not only in the african, cuban, & brazillian persussion, but also offers insight into the culture.   I've studied with some of the guys that teach there, and they know their stuff.  
Logged

Scott
Cafe VIP
Gold Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 534



WWW
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2003, 12:08 PM »

I have had some experience within the last couple of years turning experienced drumset players over to hand drums and other auxiliary percussion.  When we've played around together, I make sure to have them try out:  bongos, djembe and congas.  In ALL cases, the drummers have favored the djembe.  It also makes logical sense if you consider that a drumset player is coming from a "beat" oriented mind frame which usually consists of a kick/snare/hat base.  When they play djembe, they discover they can quickly adapt to playing beats since a djembe has such a predominant low end sound and high end sound that are fairly easy to achieve which simulates a kick/snare concept they can relate to from their drumset experience.  So, it's no wonder why in my experience, most drumset players gravitate toward the djembe.  

In general, I believe that when a player is ready conceptually for a more color-based approach, then they may be ready to tackle congas and bongos.  

In ALL cases, just like with drumset or any other instrument, I'd recommend you/the player get with a good instructor to at least learn the basic and proper technique.  

There are other hand drums on the market as well, some of which you can also adapt to a kit and even play with sticks (i.e. Remo tombek, etc.).  But since we seem to be talking more specifically about hand drumming, I'll stick to that.  Smiley

Anyway, as far as brands, etc., well, it's time to go shopping!  Just like with drumset or any other instrument, you generally choose the one that sounds the best.  What are some of your criteria and constraints (budget, size, playing situation/style of music, etc.)?  Like 563 mentioned, all the major percussion brands make excellent stuff so it just comes down to personal preference.  
Logged

RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2003, 12:16 PM »

Thanks a lot Scott, that helped a lot thus far.


Anyway, as far as brands, etc., well, it's time to go shopping!  Just like with drumset or any other instrument, you generally choose the one that sounds the best.  What are some of your criteria and constraints (buget, size, playing situation/styloe of music, etc.)?  Like 563 mentioned, all the major percussion brands make excellent stuff so it just comes down to personal preference.  

As far as budget, it all depends. I'm willing to spend however much gets me a good quality instrument. I want to get something that will stand the course of time.

As for size, I don't know. I imagine that the larger the size, the more projection and depth you get in the sound of the drum. But that would just be a guess. I would need some advise on size as well.

I'm looking for something that i'll be able to take to many things, i.e. church, performances, concerts, you know, the who thing. However, I'm ignorant as to if I will be able to attain one percussion instrument that will attain all of those possibilities.

I've being looking mostly into djembes as my first instrument. So recommendations on size, brand, and price would be great.
Logged
Scott
Cafe VIP
Gold Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 534



WWW
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2003, 12:33 PM »

Thanks a lot Scott, that helped a lot thus far.As far as budget, it all depends. I'm willing to spend however much gets me a good quality instrument. I want to get something that will stand the course of time.

As for size, I don't know. I imagine that the larger the size, the more projection and depth you get in the sound of the drum. But that would just be a guess. I would need some advise on size as well.

I'm looking for something that i'll be able to take to many things, i.e. church, performances, concerts, you know, the who thing. However, I'm ignorant as to if I will be able to attain one percussion instrument that will attain all of those possibilities.

I've being looking mostly into djembes as my first instrument. So recommendations on size, brand, and price would be great.

No problem!  I think going with a djembe is an excellent choice for a first hand drum!  The versatility of a djembe will more than satisfy all the playing situations you listed.

You're correct on the size issue.  But again, best thing to do would be to go around and play a few and compare the sounds.  Per your many possible applications, I might recommend a 14" or a 16" but possibly no bigger than a 16" since portability will probably be an issue considering you'd like to use it in many different situations.  You can start with those two sizes and listen to the tone differences between the two.  

On brand, it depends.  From the major brands, I personally have a lot of experience with Remo and LP.  The Remo are workhorses and they also come standard with a rope handle and strap, which have been lifesavers in my experience.  That way, you've got playing situations covered where you're sitting or standing and you'll have an easy way to carry it as well.  In addition, you may want to consider a djembe stand.  Gibraltar makes affordable and nice stands.  That way, you've got another way to play the drum that might work well for playing in church, in a drumset setup or in an auxiliary percussion setup.  In addition, the Remo and LP djembes are tunable with a standard drumkey or similar tool which is another advantage for the player looking to use one drum in multiple situations because you will no doubt want to consider your tuning based on the playing situation.  

For prices, google away!   Wink
Logged

Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member

Online Online

Posts: 5646


Mr. Positive


WWW
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2003, 12:41 PM »

I've being looking mostly into djembes as my first instrument. So recommendations on size, brand, and price would be great.

A djembe is a great "immediate gratification" drum to start with - it's not as hard (or as painful) to get a decent sound out of one as it is with congas, and as Scott pointed out, it's easy to play simulated drumset grooves on them.

Remo makes an excellent line of djembes. They've really mastered the art of creating organic-looking and sounding heads, which are much easier to tune and maintain than ones made from animal skins. I've got a 16" Remo djembe that I love. Try out some different sizes and see which has the sound that floats your boat. They're tunable over a fairly wide range. I looked hard at 14's but the 16 had such a killer bass sound, I couldn't resist.

Plus Remo's djembes look cool as hell - this is one of those drums that I also use as interior decor when I'm not using it (as stated in one of those threads that dissappeared last month) - it looks great in our eclectically decorated house.  Grin

I'm not much for Remo's drumset heads, but will be the first to say they've got the ethnic percussion thing down, bigtime!
Logged

Hit on 2. Repeat on 4.
(instructions found written on Mr. A's snare drum)

my drummerworld page
RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2003, 12:55 PM »

Thanks a lot for the suggestion on the Remo djembes Mr. A. I was just comparing both LP and Remo's djembes, and I must say that I think Remo makes the djembe that's right for me. And like you said, they look awesome! I'm going to be going up to some music shops and check out their prices on their djembes, I'll let you guys know.
Logged
psycht
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 1420

iPod - Its what's for dinner!


WWW
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2003, 01:20 PM »

I see that Scott & Mr A like the (for lack of a better word) synthetic djembes.  Nothing wrong with that... but also consider the hand-carved djembes.

yes these do cost more, but i've used both in different situations, and althought the synthetic djembes do sound fine, you can't easliy replicate the wamth and toneality of an authentic djembe.   before you buy, I suggest you try.  Its the same as buying a kit... you can get a good sounding Mapex.. or go for the gusto and get a DW or Sonar.  Cool

As far as sizes go, I think a 16" would be perfect for over all usage. You can buy (or make) a bag to carry it around in.

food for thought.
Logged

Scott
Cafe VIP
Gold Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 534



WWW
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2003, 03:21 PM »

I see that Scott & Mr A like the (for lack of a better word) synthetic djembes.  Nothing wrong with that... but also consider the hand-carved djembes.

yes these do cost more, but i've used both in different situations, and althought the synthetic djembes do sound fine, you can't easliy replicate the wamth and toneality of an authentic djembe.   before you buy, I suggest you try.  Its the same as buying a kit... you can get a good sounding Mapex.. or go for the gusto and get a DW or Sonar.  Cool

As far as sizes go, I think a 16" would be perfect for over all usage. You can buy (or make) a bag to carry it around in.

food for thought.

Well, hang on a second here.  

To clarify, I didn't say I personally PREFER 'synthetic' djembes, I simply recommended them to Relient.  Why?  For all the reasons I mentioned in the above post, mainly versatility.

I absolutely agree that one should check out the hand carved drums.  I actually own two!  But, based on my personal experience and Relient's needs, I would still recommend the 'synthetic' ones.

Besides, I don't feel your analogy/comparison using the drum kit brands was valid or accurate.  First, how would a DW or Sonor kit be a better buy than a "good sounding Mapex"?  Secondly, comparing drumsets to djembes is an apples and oranges scenario.  Thrid, in my opinion, some of the 'synthetic' djembes are far superior in certain areas than the hand carved.  Some most certainly cost more.  Does that mean they are 'better'?  Of course not.

I am glad you brought them up because I forgot to mention them in my post as another option.  They most definitely are that.   Smiley

Bottom line, just like any other time:  choose the one that sounds best to YOU and fits YOUR needs the best.   Smiley    
Logged

RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2003, 09:18 PM »

Thanks for all the advice guys. I'm most likely going to get the Remo Djembe once I save up the couple hundred bucks. I just have to decide which color scheme to get! Cool
Logged
563
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 6612


drum + hand


WWW
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2003, 07:37 AM »

I just have to decide which color scheme to get! Cool

highly recommend the 'earth' finish.  simple, natural, goes with anything Wink
Logged

Making bad art.  Saying stupid things.  Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here.

The Luna Moth
me
Tableland
Louis
Cafe VIP
Platinum Member

Online Online

Posts: 5881


Will Drum for BBQ


WWW
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2003, 08:10 AM »

highly recommend the 'earth' finish.  simple, natural, goes with anything Wink

And, easier to sell at upgrade time.
Logged

No one will believe it's the "Blues" if you wear a suit, 'less you happen to be an old person, and you slept in it last night!
RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2003, 08:48 AM »

highly recommend the 'earth' finish.  simple, natural, goes with anything Wink

Definitely what I was thinking, good reasoning for it too.
Logged
563
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 6612


drum + hand


WWW
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2003, 10:11 AM »

yeah, gotta say, some of remo's fabrifinishes are just hideous to me.   Grin
Logged

Making bad art.  Saying stupid things.  Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here.

The Luna Moth
me
Tableland
RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2003, 10:52 AM »

yeah, gotta say, some of remo's fabrifinishes are just hideous to me.   Grin

I know what you mean. I think on a few of them, they go a little or a lot over the top trying to make them look "realistic". But in the process, it makes it look like one of the children's percussion ones. Undecided
Logged
Mister Acrolite
Sous Chef
Platinum Member

Online Online

Posts: 5646


Mr. Positive


WWW
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2003, 11:47 AM »

I know what you mean. I think on a few of them, they go a little or a lot over the top trying to make them look "realistic". But in the process, it makes it look like one of the children's percussion ones. Undecided

It's definitely a matter of taste, I agree. I dig the Fossil Fantasy finish (left), and the Earth one (right) is very cool, too - very "organic."

 

Years ago I bought a Remo Tubano (sort of a simplified, straight-bodied conga) that was only available in one of their kookier finishes called Matisse - VERY similar to some of their kiddie drums.



I sometimes take some ribbing when I bring it to the gig, but it sounds great, and I actually dig the look!

Hey, so what if I'm comfortable with my - uh -  feminine side?...  Roll Eyes
Logged

Hit on 2. Repeat on 4.
(instructions found written on Mr. A's snare drum)

my drummerworld page
dmjung
Cafe VIP
Silver Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 267


« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2003, 05:52 PM »

How is "djembe" pronounced?  (Remember, I'm in Texas... Smiley)

--David
Logged
ritarocks
Guest
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2003, 06:02 PM »

I've usually heard it pronounced "jem-bay"; sometimes people say "d-jem-bay".  I guess thay say it different in Ghana or Senegal or wherever it actually originates.
Logged
RelientKngOdrums
Guest
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2003, 06:56 PM »

I've usually heard it pronounced "jem-bay"; sometimes people say "d-jem-bay".  I guess thay say it different in Ghana or Senegal or wherever it actually originates.

I've always heard and said it as "jem-bay", and I always thought that was right.
Logged
563
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 6612


drum + hand


WWW
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2003, 08:04 AM »

yeah, ive always pronounced it jem-bay, but with a hard J, so its almost a "chem-bay"  (and thats ch as in church)
Logged

Making bad art.  Saying stupid things.  Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here.

The Luna Moth
me
Tableland
windhorse
supporter
Gold Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 677



WWW
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2003, 01:46 PM »

The djembe will be easy to quickly set down the sticks and play in a mounted position right with your kit.

But, if you're looking for something cool sounding, light, and perhaps an alternative that provides a nice solo opportunity when things settle and get mellow.. - how about an UDU?

I just played one at performance at John's Barn in MD and people loved it! Just used the basic hand technique from conga and Djembe and it was incredibly easy! The change in tonal qualities of the instrument is fascinating when it's mic'd up well.

Dave
Logged

Hollow a log into a drum.
It's the space inside that makes the sound.

563
supporter
Platinum Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 6612


drum + hand


WWW
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2003, 02:55 PM »

But, if you're looking for something cool sounding, light, and perhaps an alternative that provides a nice solo opportunity when things settle and get mellow.. - how about an UDU?

I just played one at performance at John's Barn in MD and people loved it! Just used the basic hand technique from conga and Djembe and it was incredibly easy! The change in tonal qualities of the instrument is fascinating when it's mic'd up well.

Dave

as much as i love udu, id hesitate to recommend it as a first Smiley  easy for you when you apply your already gleaned knowledge of handdrums (i use a lot of tabla technique on mine).  but for a kit drummer, its way alien Smiley
Logged

Making bad art.  Saying stupid things.  Implimenting my master plan to be forgotten when I'm gone and forgettable while I'm here.

The Luna Moth
me
Tableland
windhorse
supporter
Gold Member

Offline Offline

Posts: 677



WWW
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2003, 03:06 PM »

as much as i love udu, id hesitate to recommend it as a first Smiley  easy for you when you apply your already gleaned knowledge of handdrums (i use a lot of tabla technique on mine).  but for a kit drummer, its way alien Smiley

Yeah, that's a good point,, you'd probably want to have hand drumming fundamentals first..

Dave
Logged

Hollow a log into a drum.
It's the space inside that makes the sound.

Mateus
Guest
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2003, 08:05 AM »

Quote
My first question is simple: Should I keep with name brand company products (Like LP) when I go to buy some percussion instruments, or is it better to branch out into smaller brands?

First is a good point to think if you can find the instruments you want, and I think that LP and Toca you can find nearly anywhere and both make good instruments!

However I always think that a machine instrument is never like a hand/love made instrument, with the proper wood choosing, treating, head making and trating, the art, the metal parts and etc...

So, I like to speak with the master artisans (that are also master musicians and percussionists) from here, and all the instruments I bought this way were completelly better (in all aspects) than those of the tradicional brands (at least for me!!). The question however is... Can you find this kind of instruments where you live? So I suggest you to check all the brands you have available and remember, the better china tradicional instrument, in most of the times, are made at china by someone who does this for years!!!

And usually those instruments are cheaper!!!!! (at least here!!! Please, don't ask me why... I really don't know...  Huh )

Quote
Another question I have is, which do you guys think is the best percussion instrument to start out with? Or in other words, what will I be using the most? I would guess instruments like bongos, congas, djembes, ones like that, but let me know if I'm wrong.

For sure the guys are right!!! You have to check the styles you like most!!! But NEVER get struck thinking "hmmm, I can't play pandeiro in a rock song..." If you like the pandeiro DO IT!!!! There's not right or wrong in music and you can also develop something that is yours!! Wink

My suggestion is to take the instrument you like most!!!!
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [All]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.7 | SMF © 2006-2008, Simple Machines LLC | Sitemap Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.183 seconds with 20 queries.