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Adam_
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« on: July 06, 2003, 11:01 PM »

I can't seem to sit long enough to work through a page of Stick Control.

I used to love this type of stuff ... when I first started working on rudiements, I was totally psyched. I get bored with Stick Control quickly, mainly because I don't know how to use the exercises.

When I play the exercises, should I accent the downbeat or not? For example, the paradiddle in stick control, as written, isn't accented. However, the paradiddle rudiment is accented. Which one do I play, accented or not?

Every time I sit down, I'm not sure where to start. Stone writes that the exercises should be cumulative. But should I just start where I leave off the last time I played, or work through previous exercises to build up to the last one I played?

Suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2003, 05:30 AM »

When I started getting bogged down in Stick Control (it seemed like I spent an eternity in the flam exercises!) I changed 2 things that really helped me.
I started circling (in pencil) the number of the exercise I was working on.  Now when I use the book (several times a week) I know where I left off.  I'll sometimes review the last few, but not always.
I don't count the number of times I do each exercise anymore.  I bought a digital timer in the kitchen dept. and I set it for 2 minutes.  When I've done the exercise for 2 minutes I move on.
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2003, 05:45 AM »

I used to love this type of stuff ... when I first started working on rudiements, I was totally psyched. I get bored with Stick Control quickly, mainly because I don't know how to use the exercises.

When I play the exercises, should I accent the downbeat or not? For example, the paradiddle in stick control, as written, isn't accented. However, the paradiddle rudiment is accented. Which one do I play, accented or not?

First of all, it does take patience and descipline to work on anything. Set a small amount of time and focus on a few exercises, then move on to something else.

When you play these exercises right out of the book, you should play them AS WRITTEN, which is no accents. Yes, it may sound boring, but the object is to gain control of the sticks and the hands ... hence the name of the book, Stick Control.

In regards to the Paradiddle ... what Stone uses is a single paradiddle sticking ... not the Single Paradiddle rudiment. The rudiment has accents ... the sticking is just that ... a sticking. Two different things; two different purposes.

For more ideas of how to apply and use Stick Control, check out my 5-Minute Lesson called Expanding Stick Control for the Drumset. There's enough material and information there to keep you busy for the rest of your life.

I also recommend that you create your own applications for using Stick Control. You might want to consider getting with a professional teacher ... or taking some video correspondence lessons with me.

The process should be FUN ... so do whatever it takes to have a good time while developing your chops.
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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2003, 05:47 AM »

Ok Adam, I think that nobody have fun with Sick control, but do youhave to think that It's important for building
your tecnique and to open the way for your style.
I Study this exercise without accent, like written, and after
I put some accent, In the first of four note group, in second etc.
You can play with your feet against tha hand with simply ostinatosa like bass and hihat in quarter notes.
Or, play with your right hand in other surface of your kit and try different sound.
It's important: TRY and experiment new ideas.
Bye Mauro
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2003, 06:10 AM »

First PAGE??!!  You want to get off the first PAGE???

I've had the book for 28 years an haven't gotten off the first 15 exercises!!!

It's not a book to be mastered (IMHO) but a great warm up and control book.

And, paradidles (and everything else) should be practiced with AND without accents.
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2003, 10:29 AM »

Thanks for the help!  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2003, 10:36 PM »

Another question.

I have a lot of problem with dynamic independence between hands. Will G.L. Stone's Accents and Rebounds help me out with this? If so, do I need to work through Stick Control before going on to it, or can I jump straight to it?
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2003, 10:48 PM »

You should work with both at the same time. It's an ongoing process ... so just do a little bit of everything every day.

You don't HAVE to have Accents and Rebounds, although it is a great book. I usually just get my students to create their own accent patterns using the books the already own. Get the book ... it's a standard ... and it's not expensive.  Cool
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