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Steveguy757
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« on: April 30, 2002, 02:25 PM »

Hi. I dont really know much about brands and costs for recording yourself, but i basically just want to record myself on the drums so i can hear myself. Whats the cheapest route to  recording just the drumset , it doesnt have to be awesome quality, just good enought to hear.

Also, just out of curiosity, say i wanted to record myself but have it record onto my computer to have a beat for songs i would create...How would i go about doing that?? I know that it would cost more than the first idea because i would have to have mics on EACH component, but are there mics that have a Midi port on the end of it or something?Huh And how much would THAT cost for something cheap but decent?

I know i kidna have 2 questions, but i hope you can answer them both.

Thanks
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rlhubley
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2002, 07:35 AM »

actually, you can do it with a normal tape recorder and a decent mic.  A mini-disc would be one step up and make a huge difference.  I imagine you can purcase a mini-disc recorder for around $200 or so, and a mic( I use a sony mic that I bought for $80, works great).  SO you can get pretty decent quality for less than $300.  If that is too much, get a good mic for around $80, and use a tape recorder.  

You can import that into your computer from the line out(or headphone out) to the line in on your computer.  There are a number of programs available for free, or shareware that is around $30.  With the software I use, I can take bits of a song, convert it to mp3, and then post it on the web.  Only drawback is that the importing is in real time, so it takes as long as whatever you are importing.  

check out minidisco.com for good deals on md equip
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2002, 08:16 AM »

You can import that into your computer from the line out(or headphone out) to the line in on your computer.  There are a number of programs available for free, or shareware that is around $30.  With the software I use, I can take bits of a song, convert it to mp3, and then post it on the web.  Only drawback is that the importing is in real time, so it takes as long as whatever you are importing.

Just a little side note about this. Most computer sound cards are very noisy when it comes to importing via LINE IN. It will work, but the quality is questionable. If you just need a quick demo, or if you are recording yourself for educational purposes ... this would work fine.

But ... lest we get too excited, you need to realize that if you only have ONE hard drive in your computer, you are going to max out VERY fast. Not only are you going to loading down you computer with a huge amounts of information ... but that ONE hard drive is going to be running the software that you are recording with PLUS trying to record what is coming in via the LINE IN. You computer is not going to be able to handle this very well for very long, especially if you have a PC. MACs are made to do fairly well with this because of it's hardware content. For optimum results, you would want to have a separate hard drive to record your audio, leaving your original hard drive to run the audio software.

Recording audio is going to take 11MB per minute (at 44.1 kHz) for a stereo input; recording in mono will cut this in half. You can see how this will quickly add up.

I think I would use a separate device, like the mini-disc, to actually record yourself .... but then use the computer, importing the audio from the mini-disc, to edit what you've done, make MP3 files, and/or burn a CD-R version. This way, no matter if you crash you computer with too much info, you will NEVER loose your actual playing ... it will always be on the mini-disc.
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2002, 04:43 AM »

Come over to my studio, I'll record you for cheap. Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2002, 06:02 AM »

Come over to my studio, I'll record you for cheap. Grin

Cheap what? Booze? Women?
Ohhhhhhh.... you mean for very little money don't you!  Grin  LOL
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2002, 04:51 AM »

There I'll be after a few martini's with a stripper sitting on my lap..."ok, we're rolling"...."yeah, that sounds great" or the classic "that was magic man!"
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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2002, 03:08 AM »

hehe!  Cheesy

Can I record at your studio? Wink

Misenko.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2002, 07:51 AM »

Steveguy757, what sound card do you have ?

I agree with Bart that many souncards have line in noise but about a year ago I purchased a SoundBlaster LIVE 1024 and the line in is really clean.....for your purposes it easily good enough. I would imagine that most middle of the range cards have pretty good line in quality.

Some of these souncards now have "optical in" so in theory the digital signal, if you were to use a MiniDisc would stay true to the original recording.....I say in theory because I have had musicians say that when optical transfer works its great but its real fiddly and the cable can be damaged real easily..

Certainly 8bit would be good enough just to hear your self and that resolution won't tax harware atall. As regards 16bit and how it taxes the platforms, I own a Mac and PC, and yes, each platform has its plus points as well as it's negatives but my PC is a lowly Celeron 333 mhz (96meg) and I have no trouble in recording 16 bit sound onto the one drive....I get no clipping what so ever..(I heard that Intel motherboards are better for this)(I apreciate that ALL PCs are different, even in the same MHZ bracket).

As has been mentioned, yes you could use a cassette deck, thats if you have mic imputs in the front but most modern home players dont posses these interfaces anymore so you would have to buy a separate mixer..

Dont be put off by Analogue as the medium is great depending on your deck/mics but in the end it would be handy to transfer the recording to your PC..

Wow, if you want to go real bargain basement, pick yourself up a mono portable tape recorder with a built in condencer mic....that should do the trick if your not fussy and its as portable as a minidisc without the price attached to it..

Good luck.....
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2002, 12:47 PM »

or you can rent an ADAT or DAT machine and some mics...we have several places around here that do that.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2002, 01:02 PM »

it's worth mentioning that I STILL have NOT seen a portable Minidisc recorder with optical out.
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2002, 02:28 PM »

rlhubley, my guitarist in my last band had a Sanyo Mini-Disc that had optical out. All I can remember about the machine is it had a prominent "24bit atac" logo on it but it had the option to output "light"(he's the one that stated that optical leads can be very fussy and if  slightly damaged can cause lots of problems).

So maybe the expensive recorders are the ones that offer this option..

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« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2002, 09:49 PM »

hey guys...you just all have to come in Montreal and book a session in my studio Wink 25$/h, canadian.

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vince
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2002, 07:14 AM »

Where is your studio? I'm From Montreal too.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2002, 08:08 AM »

My favorite little gizmo for the past year and a half has been my "Creative Labs, Nomad Jukebox." It is an MP3 player/Digital recorder.

http://www.nomadworld.com/products/jukebox3/

I have the original Nomad Jukebox that I paid $400 for in February of 2001. (Now it sells for $166 with the 6GB hard drive) The new Jubebox 3, sells for about $350 and has a 20GB hard drive.

I can record up to 7 hours at the highest resolution (48khz stereo) and about 12 hours at 44khz mono.

I record every gig the band does in search for that perfect demo song. No tapes or other media to buy, just plug in the USB cable when you get and it is on the computer to convert to MP3 or burn audio CD's.

I use it to play music during the breaks and don't have to worry about flipping tapes or changing CD's. I keep a few hundred MP3 tunes on it and still have plenty of room to record a 5-hour gig at the highest resolution.

There are other companies making these gizmos but I am not very familiar with the others. I can't say enough of how convenient this little gizmo has been. Maybe I should have put this in the "Reviews" forum?
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2002, 08:46 AM »

Where is your studio? I'm From Montreal too.

Well in fact I'm on Montreal's South Shore, in a small town called Vercheres.
(About 20 min from mtl)

www.duotonelabs.com

You can see some pics there. I hope u speak french cuz the website is in french Wink

If you want some infos, just email me.
studio@duotonelabs.com

see ya!
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