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drummeralone
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« on: July 23, 2003, 10:30 PM » |
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i need some tips on how to keep good time, but do odd fills and create good beats in odd time.  |
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bateradrums
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2003, 02:27 AM » |
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Ralph Humphrey's "Even in the Odds" book deals with that.
He used to play with Zappa, so...
Do a search on the web or ask in the music store and I'm sure you'll find it.
Please, just make sure that you're making MUSIC whenever you're playing!
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ChinaCymbol
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 04:54 PM » |
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write it out and then learn it from the transcription rather than sitting at the kit and thinking about it. I use this method a lot and you can really see what your doing wrong.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2003, 05:48 AM » |
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get a metronome, start playing, and get a crazy as you can providing your playing with the meter. You may be supprised what your capable of. Tape it if you can.  |
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BetaBob
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2003, 06:31 AM » |
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LISTEN TO OTHER DRUMMERS!!! There is no shame at all in sticking on a CD and thinking you like that fill, so maybe you could change it a bit. Chances are, you practise the fill, and then discover something even better while practising, and you'll forget all about the original fill!
You hear different views as to whether you should write idea's down or tape them. I personaly tape them because it gives me a better idea what they are like, and I can expand on them.
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LeftHandFirst
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2003, 08:39 AM » |
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Just count out, one, and, two, and, three, and, four, and. Which are 16th notes to a metranome at 80 bpm. Hit the high hat for every one and two and three and four and which you'll keep constant 16th notes with the high hat . Hit the snare on the two and the four. Then, on the "and" after the 4 hit the snare again and the next time though hit the snare on every ,and, so alternate every measure. Very simple. This is only slightly odd. also do 16th notes but delete the last note starting on the one than do the same thing starting on the "and" of 2 than start on the 4 then the next time through start on the "and" of one and "three" . These aren't triplets, 16th notes minus the last hit.
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LeftHandFirst
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2003, 08:48 AM » |
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Just count out, one, and, two, and, three, and, four, and. Which are 16th notes to a metranome at 80 bpm. Hit the high hat for every one and two and three and four and which you'll keep constant 16th notes with the high hat . Hit the snare on the two and the four. Then, on the "and" after the 4 hit the snare again and the next time though hit the snare on every ,and, so alternate every measure. Very simple. This is only slightly odd. also do 16th notes but delete the last note starting on the one than do the same thing starting on the "and" of 2 than start on the 4 then the next time through start on the "and" of one and "three" . These aren't triplets, 16th notes minus the last hit.
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LeftHandFirst
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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2003, 09:17 AM » |
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Just count out, one, and, two, and, three, and, four, and. Which are 16th notes to a metranome at 80 bpm. Hit the high hat for every one and two and three and four and which you'll keep constant 16th notes with the high hat . Hit the snare on the two and the four. Then, on the "and" after the 4 hit the snare again and the next time though hit the snare on every ,and, so alternate every measure. Very simple. This is only slightly odd. also do 16th notes but delete the last note starting on the one than do the same thing starting on the "and" of 2 than start on the 4 then the next time through start on the "and" of one and "three" . These aren't triplets, 16th notes minus the last hit.
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2003, 09:56 AM » |
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A technique I find very interesting and use a lot is playing 3 or 5 against 4... it gives a regular 4/4 beat a completely different feel!
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ChinaCymbol
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2003, 02:59 PM » |
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A technique I find very interesting and use a lot is playing 3 or 5 against 4... it gives a regular 4/4 beat a completely different feel!
i'm having some trouble understand. Did you mean 3 or 5 against 4 like polyrythm or were you talking about something else? |
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2003, 01:27 AM » |
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Sorry, I wasn't too clear in my last post. I meant as in polyrythm, 3 against 4 or 5 against 4.
For example, keeping a steady 4/4 beat, and accenting the hi-hat in groupings of 3, like this: 1 e & a 2 e & a 3 e & a 4 e & a etc... You then have the choice to play this over 1 bar and then go back to the original rhytym you were playing, or take it over the bar line, in which case this polyrythm will resolve itself in 3 bars (meaning the accent will eventually fall on the 1 of the 4th bar). It's kinda complicated to explain in words... I have a song of my band where I use this, if you want I can give you the link. There's also a Tool song ("Eulogy") which uses this technique.
And then you can choose to make the accents on the snare or bass drum, which will totally change the feel of the beat.
All of the above applies to the 5 against 4 polyrythm too... just count the accents in groupings of 5!
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