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« on: August 20, 2003, 08:56 AM » |
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Check out this great video from Johnny Rabb.  This is SLICK! |
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2003, 09:17 AM » |
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saweeet!
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2003, 09:18 AM » |
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Geez SUCH good chops...thanks for the link Mr. A!
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2003, 01:12 PM » |
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That was too dope! I've always wanted to learn how to do that. Thanks Mr. A.  |
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2003, 03:22 PM » |
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I've always wanted to learn how to do that. The freehand technique is easier to learn than you would think. If you go to PASIC, Johnny sits at the Meinl cymbal booth, and you can go and talk to him, and he'll show you the basics of it, and some exercises that help in learning it. |
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2003, 03:26 PM » |
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I think I have tried that just using the wrist. That little instruction should help alot!
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2003, 03:11 AM » |
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wow that's cool..i have to learn that so that if i ever see my old drum teacher again i can do that and make him be like "you little @$%#..." lol, @$%# that's a useful technique
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2003, 05:37 AM » |
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yeah, I thought it was cheesy till I saw it done in a jazz context last week. Thanks Mac. Pretty soon it will be as common as stick twirl between two fingers. There was this kid in the drumshop that was really burning it up also. I asked him how long it took him to develop and he said a couple of hours  little ____. I felt like punching him in the mouth |
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2003, 06:05 AM » |
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Man, that guy is too good.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2003, 06:06 AM » |
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There was this kid in the drumshop that was really burning it up also. I asked him how long it took him to develop and he said a couple of hours little ____. I felt like punching him in the mouth Well... The youger you are, the easier/faster/better you learn ! Where's my youth ?  Floyd |
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2003, 06:12 AM » |
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Well... The youger you are, the easier/faster/better you learn !
I was thinking... Don't know if you've seen this little video of Tony Royster Jr. dedicating a drum solo to Tony Williams. Tony Royster Jr. was 12 yr. old, and... WOW ! What a drummer ! I'll try to find this video and post it for the ones who's never seen that ! It's really amazing ! Floyd |
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2003, 07:02 AM » |
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I've been working on that since I saw Pat Fitz-Gibbons pull it off. I only have a practice pad at home so I only get to work on it when I got to band practice.  I can play one - but its dirty. |
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2003, 07:41 AM » |
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the trick seems to be to make the stick hit the rim and head simultanously
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the trick seems to be to make the stick hit the rim and head simultanously Yeah, I tried it last night and got nowhere with it. Rabb makes it look easy, but I guess I'm not so lucky! But this is the first one-hand-roll method I've seen that isn't gimmicky, and that actually has some serious musical potential. He does a great job of playing it, and of explaining it - my respect for him is really rising. Have you seen his demo of those Meinl cymbals that you lay on top of your snare? Way cool stuff! |
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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2003, 08:02 AM » |
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Yeah, I tried it last night and got nowhere with it. Rabb makes it look easy, but I guess I'm not so lucky!
Same here. I sure as heck can't do this either. I agree though, it has much musical application. In fact, to me, it's almost more appropriate for an actual musical application (within an ensemble) than for a solo application. But, yeah, I can't seem to "get it". No surprise. lol Maybe some day.... |
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2003, 09:16 AM » |
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I wonder how long it took Rabb to learn that...It's not something I intend on learning any time soon; I don't think I'd ever be able to do it.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2003, 10:33 AM » |
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been working on that myself. pretty cool once you get the hang of it, then like Johnny said you build up speed.
Yeah ok, I'm working on it!
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2003, 09:43 PM » |
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Yeah, I tried it last night and got nowhere with it. Rabb makes it look easy, but I guess I'm not so lucky!
When you do it, take your back two fingers off the stick, and start of with it very slow. When i started trying the technique, i tried keeping all my fingers on the stick, but Rabb told me to take my ring and pinky fingers off the stick. Rabb showed me exercises where you play eighth notes with one hand while playing 16ths doing the freehand technique with the other. Good luck! |
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2003, 10:25 PM » |
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Mr. A, you need to get your hands on the video clip of Pat Fitzgibbon doing a one handed roll in his championship DCI individuals solo - from 2000 or so. I believe he won 2 years in a row, maybe 3.
I've seen lots of cool snare drumming stuff over the years, but when I saw that, I was truly floored.
I downloaded the clip from somewhere on the net - I'd email it to you, but AOL only lets me email up to 20 something meg files.
It seems like we truly have a new drumming discovery on our hands with this one handed rim roll thing. Seriously.
(I'm not sure I'd ever use it if I figured out how to do it, but dangit, there's no doubting it's super cool).
Something else cool I saw for the first time in 1994 was a roll using the butt of the stick, then the tip. You can do it with one stick or with both. It's not a one handed roll, but super cool nonetheless. Lots of people call it "the claw".
Dangit, I wish I could pull off more of these tricks. I can hardly twirl my sticks!
Ooooh, wait, here's another cool trick - more people have probably heard of this one, and it's more applicable to drumset than the claw. You can rest the tip of one stick on the head, then hit it with the other stick. The stick getting hit plays two strokes for every one stroke of the stick doing the hitting.
A DCI snareline a friend of mine was in pulled this off in 1993 - playing a roll this way. It doesn't sound as nice as a double stroke roll, but again, it's very cool.
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2003, 01:45 AM » |
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Still waiting for the one-handed roll video to come, but as to the technique JamesC mentioned. I fell on this a year r two ago totally by accident, when I was playing a kit with a hi-hat waaayyy too low. I ended up hitting my snare stick and it rebounded perfectly.
Then I practised it for a while, working out the balance point the stick should be at when hitting it. It was one of these things that just took practise to realy get it going. Now, I use it in grooves in the same way I discovered it!
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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2003, 06:16 PM » |
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i can't get the link to work whats the deal it says web site not found and if i try www.tigerbill.com/media it says im forbidden and i can't find it on the tigerbill site. |
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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2003, 06:19 PM » |
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i can't get the link to work whats the deal it says web site not found and if i try www.tigerbill.com/media it says im forbidden and i can't find it on the tigerbill site. I don't know - i just tried it and it works fine for me. Do you have AOL or some other funky browser that might be limiting what you can download? It's a BIG file (10MB), so maybe that's too big for your system? |
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2003, 03:49 PM » |
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hey,
how are you?
this videos are greats!!!
where can i find more videos from this drummmer?
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« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2003, 07:54 AM » |
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I had this trick going for ten seconds the other day real good but then it fell apart and I couldn't get it back. I was useing a 12 inch snare where the rim is no higher than the side of the snare head I think you need a taller rim to get it going also probably a 14 incher. 12 inchers have a weird feel to em and they suck, they suck for multi bounce rolls if anything they are good for only single stroke playing and the snare on the bottom has no sensitivity at all. The snare barely produces a sound unless you hit it really hard then it sounds like two 2x4's smaking together.
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2003, 09:05 AM » |
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Where do you found this files???
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2003, 08:42 PM » |
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I had this trick going for ten seconds the other day real good but then it fell apart and I couldn't get it back. I was useing a 12 inch snare where the rim is no higher than the side of the snare head I think you need a taller rim to get it going also probably a 14 incher. 12 inchers have a weird feel to em and they suck, they suck for multi bounce rolls if anything they are good for only single stroke playing and the snare on the bottom has no sensitivity at all. The snare barely produces a sound unless you hit it really hard then it sounds like two 2x4's smaking together. I think it is easier to learn on a 14 inch snare. I learned on a 12 inch piccalo snare myself. Johnny Rabb can do it on anything in his setup, including his cowbell! |
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