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« on: August 23, 2003, 11:56 AM »

 New poster here.  Curious as to how many of you play in your praise and worship bands.

i play a set of DW collectors, the dubs are blue oyster pearl.  cymbals are crashes: paiste sigs, ride: paiste sig, splash; paiste power splash; hats: Sabian hhx stage hats. dw pedals.  
as you can see by my cheezy web site http://www26.brinkster.com/dwland/  I play in the fishbowl, oy veh.  
glad to meet you gents.  hope to learn and possibly even contribute.
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2003, 04:02 PM »

Welcome!

As to P&W drumming—I've done it before.  

I notice the O-ring.  Nice; I think that ringy snare drums are highly overrated.

I actually don't mind barriers; they make me feel more powerful. Grin  The reflected sound isn't too keen, but it's bearable.

What are the specs on your main snare, anyway?  
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2003, 08:22 AM »

I play for a praise band right now, but they have an electronic kit.  I've found this to be both a blessing and a curse.  It's nice to be able to change the sounds for what kind of music we'll be playing, and fine tune everything to sound good out front (since we're on a stage), but I abhore everything about the physical kit.  It would be much nicer if we had real cymbals along with the acoustic drums, but it doesn't really matter much to me since I only play once a month.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2003, 08:37 AM »

Hey, I play drums at Lakepointe Church in Dallas, TX. It is a wonderful blessing to be able to play there.  We play everything from traditional hymns to contemporary P & W. I am also the event organizer for the first "International Drummers for Jesus Celebration" which will be a 2 day event to be held at Lakepointe Church in March 2004. This event features a Friday night concert with artists like: Alex Acuna, Vinnie Colaiuta, Gregg Bissonette, Luis Conte, Paul Leim, Sheila E. and others. We will have a website up soon giving more info. Hope all of you will try and make it, it will be an unprecedented drum worship event for our Lord!
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2003, 11:34 AM »

(...) This event features a Friday night concert with artists like: Alex Acuna, Vinnie Colaiuta, Gregg Bissonette, Luis Conte, Paul Leim, Sheila E. and others.(...)

wow!

hmm... maybe while i'm out there for SXSW, i'll swing by Dallas, too.

but i do the drumming for my church's 5pm evening worship, and its been a blast.  unfortunately, i havent been able to kick things up too loud like the morning service can, but its still incredibly fun.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2003, 11:50 AM »

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event organizer for the first "International Drummers for Jesus Celebration" which will be a 2 day event to be held at Lakepointe Church in March 2004. This event features a Friday night concert with artists like: Alex Acuna, Vinnie Colaiuta, Gregg Bissonette, Luis Conte, Paul Leim, Sheila E. and other

That is too cool. I grew up in Dallas and always hoped, wished and dreamed that there would be an event like that. What sucks is that I live in San Jose, Ca. now. That just my luck. Cry
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2003, 03:37 PM »

We just had our conference. the band looks forward to it every year. I have to say, I live to play.  Worshipping on the kit is a feeling like no other.  When you know that you know that the spirit of God is there, its like being in another world.
I saw another thread recently on recording yourself...i've been video taping my playing every sunday for a few weeks, just set it up forgettaboutit. Very humbling!
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2003, 11:33 AM »

I played with a P&W group for a couple of years and enjoyed the daylights out of it. The priest at the church retired and the new guy thought drums were too much--he wanted a little more of a Peter, Paul and Mary sound/feel to the music. Not the 'hard rock' sound that we had. So my wife (who played flute) and I quit going to that church.

Many months later, I ran into the the new priest at Home Depot. He asked me why we quit going to their church? I told him that we didn't feel welcome. He explained that he just didn't want the drums playing with the P&W guys, we were still welcome. He just didn't get that was how I wanted to worship: by playing music. I got the feeling that he wanted us to come with our money, just leave the drums at home.

I play music in smokey bars for drunks now. I'd jump at the chance to play in church again if someone asked.
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« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2003, 03:04 PM »

I'm blessed to play in a church with a Great praise and worship band, we get paid to play(most people in the band are pros).  Not that getting paid is the reason I play but it's nice when a Church recognizes that some people do this for the money although I would do it for free anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2003, 09:36 AM »

...we get paid to play(most people in the band are pros).  Not that getting paid is the reason I play but it's nice when a Church recognizes that some people do this for the money although I would do it for free anyway.
I was surprised to learn that some get paid to play on the P&W team.  I just didn't know.  Anyway, several years after learning this I can understand much better why this is so.  While I do it without pay, and will continue to do so, it would be nice to get some compensation for the amount of time, effort, and expense I incur performing on the team.  For me it's moved well beyond just showing up and playing.  I do a lot of team coordination, move gear when playing at other locations, all equipment maintenance, keep the stage clean and neat, etc.  By taking care of most of our P&W team's affairs, I make the lives of the other members much easier.

My church is on the small side and doesn't have extra money to pay us.  Perhaps one day they'll be in a position to compensate us.

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2003, 09:41 AM »

Hey Tom,

I know what you mean, sometimes when people find out that I get paid they get bent out of shape but I travel and hour(each way) to my church Saturday's for rehearsal and Sundays for service, that does'nt include when we have to travel to shows, back people up, do benefits, all those things take time and cost money.  Again I never asked for money, I was doing it for free, the Church decided that we should be paid for our time.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2003, 09:49 AM »

I play most Sundays in our praise band at First Baptist in Bremond, Texas. I don't play drums in the band... I play pedal steel guitar. We do have a young fellow playing a set of Mapex that sound terrible to me... way to boingy and resonant. The young guy has no training at all other than what the music director has provided. He tries hard though! I've offered to correct the problem drums but the music director says "they were set up and tuned by a pro", so I don't touch them.... Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2003, 04:46 PM »

"they were set up and tuned by a pro
I have heard the same line hundreds of times and more often that not the PRO was a kid who works at the music store and plays an instrument other than drums.  ps, kid=anyone younger than me which includes a LOT of kids.   Grin
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2003, 06:24 PM »

I have heard the same line hundreds of times and more often that not the PRO was a kid who works at the music store and plays an instrument other than drums.  ps, kid=anyone younger than me which includes a LOT of kids.   Grin

When they were last tuned and how much they've been played is also an issue.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2003, 03:04 PM »

"they were set up and tuned by a pro"

 Roll Eyes

A 'pro', yes, but a pro(fessional) what?
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2003, 03:26 PM »

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A 'pro', yes, but a pro(fessional) what?

As Louis said in a different thread

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are we talking about pro drummers or pro dancers?  
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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2003, 07:38 PM »

I play every other Sat night in a P&W band at a Methodist church in the FT Worth, TX area.  I really love that music!  I don't get paid, but that's OK.   Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2003, 11:15 AM »

Me too.

I'm in a P&W band (mostly covers, 'bout a half dozen origs that our leader wrote - quite good songs) and I love it. Don't have anything against bars and drunks, I've patronized a couple of those places, but having grown up going to church (and liking it) I'm much more at home.

I've actually noticed how churches provide, not only some outstanding music to hear (check out the Christmas contata at your local big church this year and you'll likely be very impressed at the level of talent and musicianship gathered there - most of which are unpaid volunteers (choir members and such)), but many [not all] are great, regular, lo-stress gigs to have and an opportunity to develop as a musician. For example: This P&W band is my first drum gig, but I've now been playing/performing on drums at least once a week for a year and I now pass for drummer.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2003, 11:34 PM »

I was surprised to learn that some get paid to play on the P&W team.  I just didn't know.  Anyway, several years after learning this I can understand much better why this is so.  (...)

i've never been paid to play in church, but hey, that's what the "other" gigs are for.   Tongue

i'm not disagreeing with you Tom, and i dont know the extent of responsibilities you are given at church, but IMHO, i could never ask for money.  what i learned is that when the focus does shift to money, especially in church, eveyrthing gets shot to "you-know-where"...

btw and a little OT:  i was REALLY surprised to learn that a few churches hire gents who arent even christian!  that really got me.   Shocked  but that's another thread.  Wink

(...)most of which are unpaid volunteers (choir members and such)), but many [not all] are great, regular, lo-stress gigs to have and an opportunity to develop as a musician. For example: This P&W band is my first drum gig, but I've now been playing/performing on drums at least once a week for a year and I now pass for drummer.


great insight, B!

that's exactly how i started.   Cool
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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2003, 01:34 PM »

btw and a little OT:  i was REALLY surprised to learn that a few churches hire gents who arent even christian!  that really got me.   Shocked  but that's another thread.  Wink

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If I'm correct, that's going with the very principle of Christianity.

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