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bennyleb
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« on: January 01, 2004, 01:43 PM »

I'm searching for a new rock band (cover and maybe originals) to get back into active drumming and gigging. I have my day job which I don't want to quit. I cannot get over my last band (a U2 tribute band), which I left nine months ago due to many reasons.

One of these reasons was that I had some serious personnality conflict with the singer. He was a very good frontman and musician (voice, guitar, harmonica, keyboard) but I we didn't see eye-to-eye on the way a band should be managed. He was more the «this is a hobby and I don't want to have tight practice schedule because it would ruin all the fun» type of guy and I'm a person who likes to get things going at the time they are scheduled. So I was always frustrated by that.

I aslo had some serious difficulties trusting him, on a personnal and professionnal level. This guy wasn't the leader and founder or the band, which was a good thing. The bass player was (and still is) the leader and we both got along really well.

Nine months later, they still have the same drummer that took over my place. I kept contact with both the bass player and the guitar player and the have told me during our conversations that the drummer was doing the job, but they weren't fully satisfied with his playing.

I'm still thinking about those U2 tribute gigs and I still see myself playing with them. I liked playing those gigs and I miss it. They are good musicians and... we sounded really good!!! I already know the songs and I managed at the time to get a couple of hundred bucks each month with this gig. Also, my drumming fits in a U2 tribute band... I feel real comfortable with this job. Also, the originals we were working on were really good.

Now, my question. Am I too hung up on the past or should I try to get back in the band by telling the leader that I really want to get this gig back? I don't want to beg, I just want to tell him that I'm "top-shape" and that I enjoyed playing with him. I know that the situation with the singer will not have changed and that I will have to keep cool, relax and not let his behaviour ruin my fun.

They have everything I'm looking for in a band: I know the songs; they're are booked 3-4 times a month; they have a rehearsal space... At my age, 34, I don't want to start all over and form a band.

Any advice and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Ben
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dogxray
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2004, 02:23 PM »

Boy thats a tough one! Personality conflicts are the death of most bands. How bout start your own U2 tribute band hire everyone from the old band except the singer and find a replacement for him.
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2004, 05:07 PM »

I was going to say the same thing as Dog did actually.   Personally, unless youre making your living as a hired gun, theres no point in putting up with anything that makes the gig bothersome.   Since it would be a sideline for you, forget it.  Dont bother with an element that you KNOW is trouble.   Its not worth the stress.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2004, 05:18 PM »

Yeah... I hear you guys.

I went out to take a walk and it helped me straighten out how I feel about this. Playing drums make me happy and I need to do it with people that I'll get along with. I don't need to put up with someone else's crap.

I'm starting out fresh, perhaps with another U2 tribute band is that's possible.

Thanks for your advice. Happy new year from Montréal ;-) Ben
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2004, 08:25 PM »

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At my age, 34, I don't want to start all over and form a band.

I started over at 58.  Don't let your age stop you, there are plenty others out there who are in the same boat and still want to play.  

What I don't understand about your previous group is; if the bass player is the leader, why is he allowing the singer to take control ?  Rehearsal schedule and general band management are his responsibility.  The singer may be good but no one is unreplaceable.  

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2004, 06:04 AM »

What I don't understand about your previous group is; if the bass player is the leader, why is he allowing the singer to take control ?  Rehearsal schedule and general band management are his responsibility.  The singer may be good but no one is unreplaceable.

Well, the bass player started the band and he's the one who get 98% of the gigs. The singer is what I would call a typical big-mouth... He has a lot of communication skills and he's using them to his advantage. He has a very good income and he owns most of the gear (PA, keypoard, guitar amps). Also, he sounds like Bono so I guess the bass player (the leader) thought that it's easier, in a U2 tribute band, to replace a drummer than a guy who sounds like just Bono. There are 3 covers we recorded on their site (www.joshua2.net), if you want to hear what it sounds like.

In the first days after I was hired, I remember the bass player telling me he wasn't sure if he wanted to keep the singer or not. He said he wasn't sure if his singing skills were good enough for the original songs they were planning to do. Then, the U2 thing started and the venues we played kept asking us to come back again and again. So, all that left no time to work on originals (which I wanted the most) because we were booked a lot with the U2 tribute. When I left, I was unhappy because I wanted to spend more time working on original. At the time, we had one song finished and another one that was also finished, but the singer wanted to redo the vocals harmony because he wasn't happy with them. When I express them that I though we should slack down the gigs with the U2 tribute to work on originals, I always got into arguments with the singer, telling me that he wouldn't consider at any consideration doing less gigs. The guy likes to be Bono and takes it very seriously. He's got a big ego thing going on...

To answer your question about the lack of leadership of the bass player, I will say that the guy likes the security and doesn't want to take any risks with his band. I'd say that he's leading the band in a kind of "wimpy" way! Right before I left, I told him that I wanted the singer out of the band. I explained to him all the reasons we needed to do so... All this was done thinking of the band as an original act, because I felt that the singer didn't have a professionnal attitude, not to my standards anyways.

Nine months later, they still have only two original songs done and they're fully booked with the U2 tribute... Not much have changed since.

You know, the more I think about this, I'll be way better making a new start with some fellow musicians that share the same vision as I do.

Thanks ;-) Ben
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2004, 06:06 AM »

I was going to start a U2 tribute band too.  I started looking for musicians but I still haven't found what I'm looking for!  Grin

(Stop it Jon E, you're so dang funny!)

I can only parrot what the others have said about personality conflicts.  It is like the main reason most bands break up.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2004, 01:30 PM »

Also, he sounds like Bono...  There are 3 covers we recorded on their site (www.joshua2.net), if you want to hear what it sounds like.
Yep, he does sound like Bono...not that I care for that.  This reminds me, did anyone watch the World Idol show last night?  I think the fella who won, Norway's Kurt Nilsen, sounds a bit like Bono as well.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2004, 02:22 PM »

I watched that and I thought so to. With a singer like that you could cover a lot of material instead of picking what can and can't be done
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2004, 02:26 PM »

Dude I see what you mean. It gets kinda hard when you have to deal with people who either think they are right all the time, dont take things as seriously, and think they are better than you. My band once had a Singer like that. Lucky I started the band with the lead guitarist and we agree on alot of things since we have been friends for ever. My friend, our bassist, me and the singer all got together and talked about how we wanted to take our band to the next step aside from the occasional gig and 3 time a month practice. We told the singer who was lazy, headstrong, controlling that he either shape his act up or leave. Or the next step was to kick him. Listen man it comes to this either you call a meeting with ur 2 buds to see if u can make a second band with them and have them just stop showing up to there U2 tribute band or start all over unless you see a band needs a good solid drummer experience then u should probably check that out. But I think the best way to play is with ur best friends. I dunno i'm still young and im not in ur place but id call ur buds up and see if theyd like to do something on the side.
By the way we kicked the singer and now the lead guitarist and i sing we rock even more since we have more practice time together.
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