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« on: September 07, 2003, 08:46 AM »

Always happy to get great advice here at the Drummer Cafe.

How do you guys deal with playing in multiple bands?  I only play in two, and I am having problems with jealous band leaders.  They want me to commit to one band or the other so they can have the freedom to book any date they would like.  I understand where they are coming from, but I love playing in BOTH bands for different reasons.  I don't think I should have too much of a problem because one band books 3 times a month, and the other books 1-2 times a month.

Upon talking to both bands and trying to figure out the problem, I am getting the feeling that it is the bandleaders wanting to accept any gig anytime. They do the booking and want the flexibility to take any and every gig whenever without having to worry about the drummer's conflicting gig.

I want to be as professional as I can about this.  Am I being unprofessional by trying to continue two bands at the same time, or are the band leaders being unreasonable for wanting me to commit solely to their projects?

Thanks for the advice!  It is greatly appreciated!
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2003, 09:43 AM »

well, i usually have my own projects and then i drum for someone else's band.  i make sure the other band is going to be okay with me having other things to do.  i think it's a little unreasonable for them to make you compromise your happiness.  and you're only gigging two or three times a month...
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2003, 10:00 AM »

I have five bands right now... actually more like 4.5. This isn't counting my own CD that I'm working on. The bass player in my main band has two bands. One guy I work with performs with 7 different bands (sax).

Scheduling rehearsals is important. If your bands have set dates, then there should be no issue. And if they're good, they won't have to rehearse 5 days a week for 3 hours.

When it comes to gigs (their main concern, based on your post), the most important thing is a FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE policy. Either one of your bands can book any date they want. It's just a matter of who gets that date first.

If you let Band A know right away that Band B has a show on X date, then there should be no problem. To me, it's no different than the bass player saying, "My sister is getting married on the 24th, so I can't have any gigs on that date."

There will always be scheduling issues and considerations, so they need to accept that and move on.

The jealousy factor is something that I haven't experienced yet. However, having multiple bands gives me a great deal of leverage. They know that I'll leave (and be busy) if they slack off or don't perform. I don't threaten them or hang it over their heads; it's just understood. It creates some healthy tension.

Bands that are so restrictive that they want their band to be your sole creative outlet are creating an unhealthy environment and setting the stage for a band member to quit (ref: Metallica/Jason Newsted).
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2003, 10:47 AM »

I want to be as professional as I can about this.  Am I being unprofessional by trying to continue two bands at the same time

Not necessarily.

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are the band leaders being unreasonable for wanting me to commit solely to their projects?

Not entirely.

Easy huh.  Its totally within reason for a bandleader to want commitment from their band members.  Without commitment, the band would fall apart, and not go anywhere.  But it is possible to be commited to more than one project.  Your band leaders need to realise this.   Check out the jazz world.  How many players only play in one group?  Not many.  But in the rock world it seems much more common and often "required".  

For me, multiple projects are necessary.  Ive never found one band that can be all I want it to be.  And Im not sure Id want to, itd be pretty inconsistant Smiley  And I love having my own solo things as well.

Anything else Id say would be duplicating what drumwild said.  So Ill save the server space and shut up about that.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2003, 07:44 AM »

Lots of people in my region play in multiple bands because of the culture that surrounds the clubs and original bands.

An original band gets 30-40 minutes on the stage for a gig. That's it. If you book more than 2 or 3 shows in a month, you run the risk of burning out your fanbase. There is an unwritten policy that an original band shouldn't book anything 10 days before or 10 days after a gig.

Besides, $10 parking, $5-10 cover charge, and $10 drinks (plus traffic) can get old really fast.

Being in multiple bands gets me more stage time and more playing time (and allows me to cut back on required at-home rehearsal).

When I was in Indiana playing a mix of originals and covers, there wasn't time for anything else because we had the entire evening. If I were still there, I would be happy with one band because I would get sufficient stage time and playing time. In fact, I'd think it would be more difficult to have 2 bands there.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2003, 08:03 AM »

Unless you're touring full-time, if you earn your living as a drummer, it's likely that you'll work in multiple bands concurrently.

Drumwild's "first come, first served" concept is useful - I've used that approach with a fair degree of success. Some bandleaders don't dig it, but it sometimes makes them become more diligent about trying to book you as far in advance as possible, and that's a good thing.

Some triage is in order. For example, one of my gigs is with a national act, who pays far more than the other gigs. The other people I work with understand that the calls I get to do those shows will take precedence over their local gigs. But I usually have plenty of notice.

Unlike what one poster mentioned, I HAVE encountered some negative feelings from this - many bandleaders (and band members) get jealous or resentful. It's like they want you to tell them that they are the most special gig you have, and that you're not as into the other ones. So I've found a liberal dose of diplomacy is important. When I'm with Band A, I never make a fuss about how great it is to play with Band B. It just doesn't accomplish anything good.

But you will likely encounter some schedule conflicts. Another important thing to do if you play in multiple bands is FIND A GOOD SUB. Find somebody who can do these gigs reasonably well, who won't try to steal your gig (this is important), and whom your bandmembers like. It may not be the same sub for all of your gigs. So even better, find SEVERAL subs.

And be willing to return the favor. I've done a lot of subbing for other drummers, and they appreciate knowing that I'll play the gig well, will look and act appropriately, and won't try to snake their gig, even if their bandleaders offer it to me. Yes, that has happened, and more than once. I always politely decline. And, on the other side of the coin, I've had one drummer who didn't return that favor: he subbed for me, and then snaked my gig. To this day, I consider him an enemy.

Bandleaders do not think like sidemen. For most of them, their own band is all they've got. So they often expect you to view the gig in the same way, even if it's not enough to keep your calendar filled.

Don't rub it in their face that you work with other people, just be professional and diplomatic. It's a balancing act, but it can be done - almost all full-time pros do it!
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2003, 09:47 AM »

I'm with Mr. A totally. Where I live, it is common to have a back-up as a sub for you. When I have to do a "money" gig, and there is a conflict, it is understood that I just can't do the other gig. I sub for people, and I also have subs for me. As long as everyone knows up front about what your schedule consists of, and where certain priorities lie, then you should be fine.

Good Luck!
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2003, 10:11 PM »

This can be a touchy situation.  I have made it a point to be upfront with band #2 that I am in another band and that has my priority.  Those were the conditions upon me joining which they agreed to.

Almost everyone in my bands plays in 2 bands.  We try to plan ahead as much as possible.  We happen to be on decent terms with all the bands involved and try to stick to pre-approved dates for booking.  Realize that booking gigs can be a difficult thing.

If one band happens to book a special or important gig the other band will usually work around it.  The key is open communication between all the bookers.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2003, 03:44 PM »

I have two trumpet players in my band who work with another band on occassion.  They each have someone who can sub for them, in either band.
So, as it works out,  the two bands have a total of four trumpet players available to them.  The standing rule is that if you can't make a gig with one band , it is up to you to provide the sub.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2003, 08:33 PM »

If band leader a wants to put you on a retainer and pay you for every weekend even if the group is not playing great. If not, the first come first serve policy stays. If you don't have a sub, assist in finding one. It will only benifit you in the end.

P.S. - What city in Indiana did you live? I escaped South Bend four years ago....
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2003, 07:44 AM »

Another important thing to do if you play in multiple bands is FIND A GOOD SUB. Find somebody who can do these gigs reasonably well, who won't try to steal your gig (this is important), and whom your bandmembers like. It may not be the same sub for all of your gigs. So even better, find SEVERAL subs.

And be willing to return the favor. I've done a lot of subbing for other drummers, and they appreciate knowing that I'll play the gig well, will look and act appropriately, and won't try to snake their gig, even if their bandleaders offer it to me. Yes, that has happened, and more than once. I always politely decline. And, on the other side of the coin, I've had one drummer who didn't return that favor: he subbed for me, and then snaked my gig. To this day, I consider him an enemy.

Yeah, if you remember the thread I had early in the summer about the trials and tribulations of my band and I parting ways, it simply boiled down to this very point:  In their eyes, I was not committed to the band as much as they were.  I didn't see a need for 3 rehersals a week at 4 hours each for a show/cover band that plays one weekend a month.  I also played a few gigs and sessions with other groups.  When faced with the choice of playing one weekend or going to my brother's wedding, which had been postponed due to his deployment to Iraq, I opted to fly home to NYC for the wedding (duh!). When I got back, all of the "problems" came out.  Later, I learned they had already offered my seat to my sub, and booked gigs with him.  I had subbed for him a number of times and this was the first gig I needed him to fill in for me.  But that's life and he's stuck with them.    
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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2003, 04:17 AM »

I'm gonna find myself in the same boat very soon, I think.
I've just been asked to join another cover group that's currently being formed, it's strictly for the money, that's been agreed by all concerned.
 But the fact is it's eventually going to clash with the cover group I've been playing with on and off for the last 5 years. Thing is, these guys are happy to just plod along doing about 3-4 gigs a month. They're also unwilling to do any more rehearsing with a view to putting some new material into the set, which is something I have been pushing for quite a while now, and to be honest, that is my main reason for saying yes to this new project.
 So I think when the time comes I will have to make the new group my priority, and I'll do gigs with the other band as long as I'm not already booked.
 It may sound bitchy, but I don't think my current band deserve that kind of commitment at the moment.

Just a different perspective.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2003, 06:24 PM »

Looking at this from the leader's side- it would be smart to have more than one person available to sub for you.

Case in point- my band had a gig last weekend that had been contracted months ago.  All the players were committed (so I thought) to this gig.
At the end of another gig, 1 1/2 weeks prior to , my bari sax player says that she doesn't think she will be able to make the gig.  She misses the rehearsal three days before and then two days before states that she can't make it, but one of her students is capable of covering the gig and will be there.  Day before the gig, the sub calls and can't make it.  Frantic call to the bari sax player, "you have the music and are responsible to cover this gig, in person, or by substitute " message is left on her machine.  E mails are sent.  No reply. Day of the gig I get a call, "I'm sorry the sub didn't work out but I can't find anyone else now.  I work with other bands and need the money so I can't play with you tonight"


Exit one bari sax player.

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2003, 10:32 PM »

Great thread. I have experienced some of the aforementioned dilemmas before, but have forgotten them since I haven't gigged out in a year! If only we drummers could have our cake and eat it too right? Grin But then again, maybe we can if we exercise diplomacy....
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