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« on: September 16, 2003, 08:52 PM »

I am currently working on a 4-mallet marimba solo called Rhythm Song, by Paul Smadbeck, and have been trying to find some sound clips, but I can't find any that are more than the first page.  Can anyone help me? Thanx
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2003, 08:59 PM »

I'll check my archives to see what I can find. I don't remember if I played this piece in college or not; that was many, many years ago. Perhaps I'll find a recording of myself performing the piece, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2003, 09:55 PM »

I believe Evelyn Glennie has released a recording including "Rhythm Song," and I know that Paul Smadbeck released it on his "Music for Marimba" LP years ago.  I don't know if the Smadbeck recording is still in print, however.

Do you have a question about the piece, or do you simply want to check out a recording of it?
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2003, 07:37 AM »

I've been trying to find a recording of it so that I can listen to it straight through, and be sure I'm doing it right.  Also, I find that it is easier for me to learn music if I already know what it is supposed to sound like, note-wise, at least.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2003, 07:42 AM »

While listening to a recording may help you learn the song (or at least one interpretation), be sure you are not simply learning it by ear.  Playing by ear is a great gift to have, but don't stunt yourself on the reading aspect either.

Just a small thing to think about.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2003, 08:19 AM »

I've been trying to find a recording of it so that I can listen to it straight through, and be sure I'm doing it right.  Also, I find that it is easier for me to learn music if I already know what it is supposed to sound like, note-wise, at least.

Jon's right about the limited value of using recording(s) as a reference - not that it's not important, not that it's not beneficial, but the beneits are limited.

Listening to other players' interpretations of a piece can help a student learn how to interpret a work, but at some point, you have to start looking at the score and making your own decisions about how to play it.

Also, keep in mind that a recording is a "snapshot" of how that player interpreted that piece at a particular point in time.  I was fortunate enough to study with Gordon Stout in college, and at one point, we worked on (surprise, surprise) the Mexican Dances.  I knew that he had recorded it on his first album, and I asked if I could borrow his copy to check out how he played the piece.  His reply?  "Sure, go ahead...but keep in mind that I recorded that almost ten years ago, and I don't play the Dances like that any more."  So, in this case, a recording by the composer himself was no longer representative of how he would play the work.

IMHO, if you've heard a recording of the first page or so worth of the piece, you've gotten some pretty good insight into how the player interpreted the piece.  Sit down with the score, and pore through it - and if you're not sure how to interpret something, try a few different ideas there and see what clicks with you.

FWIW, I've heard many different interpretations of Rhythm Song - some faster, some slower...even ones with drum set or congas added!  (And BTW, my understanding is that Smadbeck is open to these different versions - but don't quote me on that, I'm not a friend or acquaintance of Paul, and I didn't hear it "from the horse's mouth.")
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2003, 09:13 AM »

Cheers to Rhythm Song! I love that tune. I have a copy of Evelyn Glennie performing it and its great. I agree with the thoughts above, use the recording to get an idea, but once you start playing, try to make it your own.

BTW, what mallets are you using to play this song. It has so many volume changes, I'm curious what you would use.
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2003, 10:43 AM »

BTW, what mallets are you using to play this song. It has so many volume changes, I'm curious what you would use.

FWIW, when I played the piece back in college, I used a set of the old Good Vibes "Dave Samuels" vibe/marimba mallets.  Not so hard as to be clunky in the low end, but with enough contact sound to articulate clearly in the upper range of the piece.  (Had I played the "octave up" part in a multi-player performance of RS, tho, I probably would have gone with something a shade harder.)
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2003, 08:19 PM »

The mallets....drat....what are those, I'll check at school tomorrow, cause they're in my locker.  Medium or medium hard marimba mallets, yarn and birch.  Can't remember the number.  But I only use the recording to help learn the notes, nto to play it that exact way, and I do fine in the reading.  Anyways, thanx for the help.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2003, 08:33 PM »

I think I either used some Encore mallets, with the latex wrap, or the Stevens SFZ mallets. Too many years ago!
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2003, 07:02 AM »

I used to play with the Liegh Howard Stevens model mallets and loved them. I still have my old stickbag from college... I miss playing marimba.  Cry
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2003, 07:27 PM »

I tried to find a copy of that piece but it is indeed out of print according to my local music shop.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2003, 07:31 PM »

I tried to find a copy of that piece but it is indeed out of print according to my local music shop.

The original version published by Don Skoog is out of print AFAIK, but it's available here the last I checked:

https://wwws.monmouth.com/mostlymarimba/mofcart/mpimusicorderform.html

...or just go to http://www.mostlymarimba.com and follow the links from there.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2003, 07:39 PM »

Cool, thanks for the link. Out of curiousity, do you enjoy any Ney Rosauro stuff?
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2003, 09:18 PM »

Cool, thanks for the link. Out of curiousity, do you enjoy any Ney Rosauro stuff?

The little bit that I know, yes.  He didn't really start making a mark on the University scene 'til after I finished school (which was in 1990).  When I was teaching as a sabbatical sub' at my old school in Spring 2000, one of my students was working on Rosauro's Concert for Marimba and Orchestra (not sure if that's the exact title), and it struck me as a piece I would have had fun performing.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2003, 10:12 PM »

Yeah, that's the title, actually I'm playing that piece right now. It's a great piece, lots of fun to play and very modern sounding, classy, and musical. His musical voice in his writing is really unique and beautiful, I wish I could write music 1/1000 as cool sounding as he can. I can only imagine how much cooler it would sound getting to play it with an orchestra! I've also played/heard his three preludes for marimba and it seems like each one has a few certain ideas or themes and the concerto is like a big mish-mash of all those ideas. He's a really cool composer, I'm going to look for more stuff by him for sure in the future.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2003, 03:40 AM »

Ney's music is rather fun to play and usually quite listenable.

Cenas Amerindias is a great 2-part diddy.  

Fred no Frevo is a decent mallet quartet.  

Bem Vindo is kind of hip, rare to see 5 mallet playing anymore.  

How I do miss playing Divertimento for Marimba and Alto Sax

Anyhow, about Rhythm Song, I used a graduated set of mallets.  I won't even attempt to recall what brand or what hardness they were, but I think a simple idea to the piece is to really make sure your 4th mallet will bring out the bass and your 1st mallet will bring out the melody.  

Glennie's recording is so full of liquidity, listen to how the marimba really sings on the first melodic example.  
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