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Bunky Macbeth
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« on: September 19, 2003, 03:29 PM »

I was talking with a fellow drummer today and i realized something.  We play the same instrument and yet it seems that we couldn't be more different.  

Him:  Has taken lessons all his life
         started with snare moved to full set
         plays in school bands
         can read music
         studies new techniques from a book

Me:   took a half hour lesson once
         picked up a crappy set for my birthday
         learned from listening to other drummers and duplicating things i hear/see
         I love playing drums just for the hell of it no matter if i am getting better while i play or not
          played off and on in a metal/rock band

I am just wondering is my approach to the instrument "worse" than his?  No matter what i do i can't sit down and repeatedly practice rudiments on my snare.  the other parts of my set are just too tempting.  I guess whatever makes me happy works.  

What is your approach to drumming?  
         
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2003, 04:07 PM »

It all depends on what your goals are... if you want to make a career in music, your friend's approach is definitelly more appropriate. However, not everyone wants to be a professional musician and does it just for fun, which is absolutely wonderful too! In this case, your approach is probably better because you're having fun all of the time, whereas your friend is dealing with stuff that isn't much fun (practicing rudiments, studying books).
There's no right or wrong in this case, it's just a matter or personal goals! Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2003, 04:33 PM »

It all depends on what your goals are... if you want to make a career in music, your friend's approach is definitelly more appropriate. However, not everyone wants to be a profissional musician and does it just for fun, which is absolutely wonderful too! In this case, your approach is probably better because you're having fun all of the time, whereas your friend is dealing with stuff that isn't much fun (practicing rudiments, studying books).
There's no right or wrong in this case, it's just a matter or personal goals! Smiley

Bang on!  My thoughts exactly
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2003, 04:42 PM »

I agree with MrDrums. I dig on learning something that more a challenge cause once I've masterd it the feelling I get is so rewarding to me. Just depends on the person.

I also approach my drums as an ensemble of drums not just as a kit. The variety of tones and sounds one can pull out is almost endless. Whatever makes you happy and fulfills your desire as drummer.
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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2003, 06:47 PM »

Taking lessons and practicing technique are of utmost importance.  But, so are, equally, listening and learning to other drummers and playing in bands.  It's all of these things that collectively make for a good approach to drumming no matter what kind of music you play.  Even playing on a crappy kit can be good for teaching you ways to experiment with and improve sound via tuning, heads, etc. which is all part of the learning process.  I think a formal approach is especially necessary in the beginning when one is learning to play because otherwise you run the risk if starting with bad habits which are difficult to break later and stunt your playing.  A good foundation is essential.  

But, for the sake of discussion, there are a lot of  "book" players who are limited due to their lack of solid live experience.   They may have the rolls of a hummingbird and but can't hold a long-term solid, heartfelt groove in a real, live band situation because they're only used to the fairly sporadic drumming of school band and have spent all their time in a book and not enough on stage or they spent all their time practicing by themselves in their rooms instead of with others.  Or they spent all their time working on the snare technique, etc. and are lost when they get behind a kit because they're not used to using their feet.  But despite the intermittent nature of school band drumming, there can be a lot of learning done during breaks when you have a lot of time to listen and interpret the rest of an orchestra.  (I'm way too impatient, though, to only bang on a drum or bell once in a while, so in college I took the garage metal band route instead of the school band approach.)

If you haven't learned to read yet, don't fret.  You can do it.  Just get started now so you no longer have to miss out on its advantages, like exchanging tabs with drummers at the cafe!  (That reminds me, Felix..."La Grange" is acquiring dust over here...I need to get on it!)

  As far as teaching approaches,  I think, after the essential basics are outlined, as in my case with teaching piano, one has to be careful not to boggle down students with too much theory because you run the risk of not captivating your student's interest enough to make them an enthusiastic student.  So, the trick is to blend the 2, often teaching them "formal" things through fun practical application, often teaching them things without them even knowing thats what you were trying to do.  I've met so many people who quit piano lessons due to mean, boring teachers.  In piano, scales are everything.  Scales are our basic rhythmical and melodic foundation and one of the first thing students need to learn.  But if a kid comes in for a lesson (often only because their parents wanted them to)  a lecture on major scales and fingering patterns, etc. would bore them to death.  So, what I do is ask them what songs they like and do they think it would be cool to learn how to play it.   Say the student is young and wants to play "Mary Had a Little Lamb", we're actually working the first part of scale patterns and developing our rudiments, but I just don't call it that to them, yet. Smiley  I try to help them feel it in their heart first and feel comfortable before I start correcting them too much, possibly causing them to become frustrated and discouraged and quit.  

As far as my personal approach to my playing, I've experienced totally opposite approaches during extended phases.  I started with a very formal background of classical piano and thank goodness, good drum teachers,
but I branched off into the opposite spectrum of "hippie-drumming", and as I mentioned in the PIT thread, a lot of what I learned came from unconventional methods like playing on the streets during festivals and jamming at open mike nights in rough joints with supposedly unschooled musicians and virtual strangers.  It is then I learned people can still play music like a virtuoso without having an ounce of formal, theoretical knowledge.  Like Jimi Hendrix.  I'm not sure how many pro kit drummers out there have had absolutely no formal training, though.  I would say if one has never had a formal lesson they're probably lacking a lot of fundamental elements; it is in this main regard that his approach is better than yours.
The whole meaning of music isn't in a book.  The most important thing is to play and listen whenever and wherever you can.  But the stronger your technical foundation, knowledge and understanding, the better.
I'm returning again after a long trip back to the phase of the formal spectrum where my main focus will be back to the books and the rudiments.  (that has already begun with all the time I've spent here lately as opposed to jamming)  What I need to do is go into hiding with nothing but a practice pad, sticks, and a copy of "Stick Control".  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2003, 08:58 AM »


What I need to do is go into hiding with nothing but a practice pad, sticks, and a copy of "Stick Control".  Grin

Yeah, I've been doing that for the last month or so since my former band and I parted ways.  Fun for a while, but it can be akin to Chinese torture Grin
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2003, 09:52 AM »

well, i play for fun.  if i get more out of it then it's that much better.  i don't like playing when i'm not having fun.  no need to make my greatest enjoyment into work.
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2003, 07:11 AM »

Rita brings up some great points as usual.  Here is what I like to do.   I always recommend the formal approach.  Learn your lessons and then apply them in real situations.  

Then twist them to do something totally new and fresh.  For example... La Grange.  I learned the intro per tab but realized I could come up with something hipper.  I find that using a dbl bass shuffle live as opposed to a chicago shuffle gives our band (and maybe not yours) more power and low end propulsion in live situations.

After I learn something out of a book I always try to put my trademark on it.  And if I incorporate it into my routine, well, it seems only fair to the originator of the pattern that I change it a little (or a lot) to something personal.  To me, that is the essence of our art.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2003, 07:15 AM »

And yes, I like to keep drumming fun- part of the fun entailing agonizing over patterns for days... sometimes weeks!
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2003, 03:32 PM »

  If only we could go back in time. I am a little to old to start over again, But if I could I would learn to play the Piano for sure....... I did however take formal lessons when I first started playing the drums. But I didn't get into the Rudiments at all. I don't know if my teacher didn't think it was important or if that wasn't the way it was done back in the 60's LOL
But I know that now I would love to know all the Technical stuff and don't have the time to learn it. I use all my free time to play and have fun with my drumming.
   I love to listen to a new song and try to figure out the beat. But if I knew a few more of the fundimentals I might be alot better drummer. JMO
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