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« on: October 06, 2003, 06:27 PM »

I remember a topic like these a while ago but I was unable to find it when I searched, if somehow I missed it, just direct me to it.

While visiting UNT, my dad and I were able to sit in on their 4 O' Clock Lab Band's rehearsal. While I was in there, the guys were thinking of songs to do for a gig they had coming up. They were spitting out TONS of songs off the top of their head which each of them seemed to know, and know how to play. Before going there, I thought I had a rather long list of jazz song standards, but boy was I wrong.

So my question is, how do you develope this large list of songs in your head? Of course listening is obvious, but how do you know if the songs you are learning to store in your head is one that is used often in gigs? Are these all off "Greatest Hits" albums of jazz greats or what? I realize I'm kind of rambling with this question, but I think you guys get what I'm saying. I basically need lists of songs to know, CD's to buy, or books to study to get this stuff in my head. Thanks in advance guys.

P.S. ATTENTION GOOGLE ENFORCERS!!  

I've done some searches on google and found some stuff, but not exactly what I'm looking for.  Cool

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2003, 07:01 PM »

Probably the "'Real Book"  fake book series has most of the old standbys and is likely where most of these guys learned them.  They are published for
C, Eb, and Bb instruments but not for drums.  Most are transcriptions of the head and chord changes with references to the original recording artists who made them famous.  If you can borrow one of these and copy the index, it will give you a great starting point for which recordings to go after.

If you play another instrument, the "New Real Book"is handy to have anyway.

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2003, 07:16 PM »

Check this link out.

http://www.bmgmusicservices.com/catalog/browse/browse.jhtml?pcatId=0&catId=210000
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2003, 04:52 AM »

I have a little list in PDF:

http://boombassprod.ifrance.com/boombassprod/pdf/jazzdrum.pdf

I think this list comes from the Drummer Café, but, as RELIENT, I can't find the thread where I get this PDF...
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2003, 07:18 AM »

Relient,

The "Fake Book" suggestion is probably one of the best investments you'll ever make.  There will be times when you may need to look at a fake book on the gig if the leader calls something you're not familiar with.  

Try to get a "Fake Book" and use it to help you start investing in building up your recording catalog.  There are SO many tunes to know as leaders not only call some of the old classic standards (i.e Louis Armstrong, Duke, Gershwin, etc.) but also more modern tunes (i.e. Chick Corea, Chuck Mangione, etc.).  You may be expected to play both "I Got Rhythm" and "Matrix" back to back.  Keep in mind that you are learning TUNES, not the drumming associated with these tunes.  For example, you may be asked to perform a mambo version of "Giant Steps" but if all you've done is studied Art Taylor's swinging style in the original recording and can't remember the tune to "Giant Steps", you'll be in trouble on the bandstand.  This is where the "Fake Book" comes in handy.  You can quickly refresh your memory of the tune by looking at the rhythm of the head in the fake book.  

Also, be sure to check out the Jamey Aebersold books.  You can at least scour through the lists of artists and standards he has in the many volumes of CD/play-alongs here:  http://www.charlescolin.com/playalong/abersold.htm
This stuff has become part of the modern jazz study repertoire.

But just remember, building a recording catalog along with a vocabulary takes a lifetime.  It is truly a lifelong study and is never something you can learn overnight.  A lot of the talented cats going into UNT are in the same boat, believe me.  

Keep us posted on your progress!   Wink
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2003, 07:28 AM »

You're getting good advice here. Also, it's EXTREMELY important that you learn to recognize and remember the FORMS of jazz tunes. That way you'll be better able to support the soloists, and take solos yourself.

So whenever you hear a song for the first time, be listening for repeated phrases and sections, mentally cataloging them as you listen. As a jazz drummer it's inevitable that you'll occasionally find yourself playing a song you've never heard before. Just LISTEN LIKE CRAZY and figure out the form of the song, then emphasize that form with your own playing.

Never get so caught up in what you're playing that you lose your place within the song - there's nothing that "outs" an amateur like barging into the wrong section at the wrong time. That's a skill that comes with time, but it's contingent on you LISTENING and WATCHING the people you're playing with, while mentally keeping track of where you are. Oh yeah, and playing different stuff with all four limbs. Easy stuff, this jazz drumming, eh?   Wink
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2003, 12:26 PM »

Probably the "'Real Book"  fake book series has most of the old standbys and is likely where most of these guys learned them.  They are published for
C, Eb, and Bb instruments but not for drums.  Most are transcriptions of the head and chord changes with references to the original recording artists who made them famous.  If you can borrow one of these and copy the index, it will give you a great starting point for which recordings to go after.

Thanks for the tip Roger.  Would I obviously buy the book in the key that I am the most comfortable in? Or does it not really matter since I'm only looking for rythms?
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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2003, 12:28 PM »

Relient,

The "Fake Book" suggestion is probably one of the best investments you'll ever make.  There will be times when you may need to look at a fake book on the gig if the leader calls something you're not familiar with.  


Thanks for the suggestion Scott. Is there a different to the "All-Jazz Real Book" and the "Fake Book", other than the Fake Book having a lot more tunes?

Would the Fake Book be the better buy, simply because it has more tunes?
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2003, 12:31 PM »


That's a skill that comes with time, but it's contingent on you LISTENING and WATCHING the people you're playing with, while mentally keeping track of where you are. Oh yeah, and playing different stuff with all four limbs. Easy stuff, this jazz drumming, eh?   Wink

Haha, I swear, you'd never know how hard Jazz is until you really get into it. But that goes for how fun it is too.  Grin

Thanks for all the replies thus far guys, and sorry for the 3 replies, I got a little ahead of my self.  Shocked  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2003, 12:31 PM »

Fake books tend to be regional in their popularity - during your visit to UNT ask around what fake books the jazzers at that school use.

In my day at Indiana it was The Real Book (which came from the cats at Berklee), but I don't know what's currently en vogue.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2003, 12:33 PM »

Fake books tend to be regional in their popularity - during your visit to UNT ask around what fake books the jazzers at that school use.

In my day at Indiana it was The Real Book (which came from the cats at Berklee), but I don't know what's currently en vogue.

Thanks Mr. A, I'll email a guy I met up there and ask.
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2003, 02:56 PM »

The so called "New Real Book" is published by Hal Leonard and is the legal version of the book htat came out of Berklee which followed the time honored traditon of fake books in the past (bootleg music)

I would suggest the C book as it will indicate the original key of the tune, can be used by piano,bass, guitar and flute players with ease.  Bb horn players are used to transposing at sight up one key .  Alto players will have to transpose up a sixth but that is their lot in life.
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2003, 01:07 PM »

I was talking to a friend of mine is Music Theory class about the Real Book and Fake Books. He mentioned that the Fake Books are illegal. Did I hear him wrong, or are they really illegal? If they are, why?
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2003, 01:13 PM »

I was talking to a friend of mine is Music Theory class about the Real Book and Fake Books. He mentioned that the Fake Books are illegal. Did I hear him wrong, or are they really illegal? If they are, why?

Many of them are technically illegal, because they lump together music published by MANY different publishing companies all into one publication, without permission from those publishers.

Back when I was in school, the Real Book was technically illegal. I don't know if that is the case any more. You'll also see some advertised specifically as "legal" fake books, which apparently either have the blessings of the publisher, or are all perhaps published by the same publisher.

I've never known anybody to be arrested or fined for using a fake book, so I wouldn't sweat it. Again, see which one is most common in whatever market you're exploring, and do as the Romans do.  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2003, 01:29 PM »

Thanks for the INFO Mr. A. Yea, I can't imagine there's that much demand for illegal music book owners.  Shocked
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« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2003, 01:48 PM »

The one published by Hal Leonard is legal as they heve gobbled up all the small publishing houses in the same way that Sony and BMG have absorbed record companies.  By acquiring those houses, they also acquired the publishing rights to all the tunes owned by them.  

Any collection of tunes under one cover is generically known as a fake book, whether you assembled it yourself or are using a legally published collection.  

Don't look for too much detail. You generally get the melody and basic chord changes only.  Maybe the lyrics to the first verse if the tune was originally a vocal.  

For years, the standard was an under the counter special entitled "1000 standard tunes."  Two or three tunes on a page in rather small print.  Later, new books kept coming out with 15 or 20 newer tunes and then stuffed with 100 pages of  same old , same old for filler.  

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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2003, 04:36 PM »

What are "fake books," anyway?
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« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2003, 05:05 PM »

Read the post that immediately preceeds yours.

They are called Fake Books because if you don't already know the tune, with the book you can "fake it".

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