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« on: May 28, 2002, 12:24 AM » |
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Hey all, I am 17 and have only been playing for 4 months, yet I am beginning to get a dull (sometimes quite strong) pain in my lower back which hangs with me throughout the day, plus, after a decent drumming session, I get very sore wrists, and to make it all worse, now whenever I rotate my wrists they make a cracking noise... Is this bad, or are my muscles/joints still getting used to drumming?  James
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2002, 06:38 AM » |
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How long have you been playing?
Have you had any formal training yet?
You should not have these problems so young.
I actually feel better AFTER I play drums anymore.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2002, 08:18 AM » |
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There are a number of things that could cause one or all of the symptoms you mentioned. - Failing to warm-up your entire body before you play.
- Poor posture at the drumkit
- Improper grip on the sticks
- Improper seat height
- Not staying relaxed while playing; tensing up
- Improper playing technique; how you strike the drums
- Failing to warm-down after you have finished playing
These are just a few things for you to think about. Without having more information and/or seeing you play, it's tough to make a good assessment. I would HIGHLY recommend that you at least take ONE private lesson with a professional drum instructor. Let them examine what it is you are doing (or not doing); you'd be surprised just how much they can help you with your problems. I would encourage you to search through the database here at the Cafe as we have discussed some of these ailments and solutions before. We can talk about them again, but it would be good for you to familiarize yourself first. Check out some of the threads in my 5 Minute Lessons ... in particular the Warm-up and Endurance threads.
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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2002, 11:58 AM » |
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Man, I crackle all over. It's mostly my fingers and wrists that crack. But I can also crack my elbows. Then again I'm 33 and I've been playing for a long time. Cracking isn't as big of an issue as any pain you're experiencing. Drumming is a very unnatural thing for the body to do. Evolution didn't take into account bodies that would have a fulcrum at the butt in a seated position while all the extremeties go flailing every which way. So your body is adjusting to this in a bad way, since it's not used to it. Thing is, the drumming position leads to all sorts of physical issues, mostly having to do with back problems. For me, it didn't start becoming a problem until I was 22. I started getting significant back troubles so I took a yoga class in college. I got way into it and it not only solved my back troubles, but also helped my drumming in some key areas, particularly balance, physical stamina and mental focus. So here's the California hippy dude again advising Drummer Cafe folks to get into yoga.  Find a hatha or birkram yoga center and take a few classes. They usually give discounts for beginners. If you're having real health issues, like chronic pain, look into iyangar yoga. Don't worry, you don't have to change your religion or anything. 
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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2002, 12:14 PM » |
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So here's the California hippy dude again advising Drummer Cafe folks to get into yoga.  Find a hatha or birkram yoga center and take a few classes. They usually give discounts for beginners. If you're having real health issues, like chronic pain, look into iyangar yoga. Don't worry, you don't have to change your religion or anything. LOL ... man you are right about that. I'm constantly surprised how quickly people dismiss what they don't understand. Sure, you can get into yoga's religious aspects ... but that doesn't mean that you have to do that ... unless you want to. I'm in agreement with Sidereal here. Take some classes, learn to relax and breathe properly. Warm-up the body, stretch out your limbs, learn and grow from it. Yoga is good for the body and soul ... and you see immediate changes for the positive.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2002, 12:28 PM » |
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I agree with some of the guys here as regards getting your technique looked at because you hav'nt been playing long but it also might be worth going to the doctor to ask their advice if the problem persists.
Do you get this type of pain if you are not drumming and you are doing something else with your hands ?
How is you finger dexterity on things like zippers/can openeners and nobs.....do you get a weakness in your grip or pins and kneedles in the tips of your fingers ?
When you drum, do you play heel up as this can sometimes cause lower back pain if you havnt been used to this technique ?
I take it when you strike the drums you play matched grip.....do you feel the impact in your wrists(heavy impact) ?
If these symtoms stay with you away from the kit something could be wrong....get it checked out by the Doc....if it only happens at the kit then, yes, it could be a technique problem.
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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2002, 03:34 PM » |
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Well I have been getting professional lessons 3 and a half of the four months I've been playing - I don't really warm up before I start playing or warm down after...
- I don't have a throne, its just a bar stool that I have chopped the legs off to a nice height.
- My grip should be correct now, since my drum teacher was showing me the correct way from day one.
- I do get a little bit tense at times while I play, but not that much anymore
- My posture is definitely much to be desired, I slouch a lot and I have been trying to aleviate that for a long time now, I am beginning to become more aware of my posture and am making an effort to keep my back straight.
- I don't have any trouble gripping and using things like pens, zippers, knobs, etc...
Clearseawater, I think you have a very good point, because I play I play heel up, and I notice the pain in the lower left quarter of my back... Ohhhh, gotta go to school, see you guys later, and thanks for the help so far James
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2002, 04:05 PM » |
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straight back, loose shoulders
I put my throne a few centimeters further away from my set, and I kinda sit on the edge my throne (my teacher tought me that), so I automatically have to sit straight, or balance problems will issue pretty fast. it isnt really comfortable, but its a good trick to make you sit straight
with this "trick" its kinda difficult to play heel up, because you are already sitting on "half" throne, so you get unbalanced pretty quick (im a heel down player btw).
anyway this works for me (and a bunch of other people as well).
as for the wrists..I think thats a technique issue, I think most starting drummers had that problem
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2002, 04:33 PM » |
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I'm telling you, your problem is all in your ass.
You're sitting on a bar stool with chopped legs. That's probably the issue right there. Get a Rock 'n Soc throne. Your fulcrum is your butt, so treat it with kindness and you won't have so many problems.
Even wrist problems could be coming from your ass neglegence. When you sit on it (your butt), it's protecting your spine, which extends out to your arms. I've had finger tingling before that was connected to a pinched nerve in my spine. That should give you an idea of how much you need to be good to your butt.
sorry to be so anal about this.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2002, 04:36 PM » |
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I strongly encourage you to deal with the poor posture immediately!
Get with your instructor and spend an entire lesson on the subject.
Also .... The drum throne is the most important part of a drumkit.
Do yourself a favor and invest in a good drum throne immediately! Also start warming up BEFORE you play or practice.
Would an athlete participate in his/her sport without first warming up? Absolutely not! The drums are the most physical instrument on the planet ... you need to warm-up and stretch your muscles so you don't hurt yourself ... and so that you train them to respond the way you want them to ... while in a relaxed state. You can't do that if you are cold, stiff and/or tight.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2002, 08:28 AM » |
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Roc n Soc and Baseball Batting Gloves, nuff said.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2002, 08:48 AM » |
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I wear Well's Lamont work gloves when I play.
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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2002, 12:13 PM » |
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I prefer the batting gloves because it is alot easier to do stick spins and stuff like that. It's rock n roll man! A competitive sport! 
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2002, 11:32 PM » |
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Well guys, to keep you all update, my back and wrists are feeling much better now, I have come to the conclusion that the drums were not the only reason I was having problems... Firstly, my back: - My posture has basically gone up the creek over the past couple of years, and I was getting to the point where I would be 10-15 cm taller when I stood up straight.
- Plus, I do weight training at the gym and some of that involves my back muscles...
- I attacked this problem by consciously making sure that I kept my back straight all day the other day, and that has now caused me to subconciously keep it straight more often
- I still have my bar stool as my throne because I cannot afford a proper drum stool at the moment, but when I am sitting on there I make sure my back is straight.
- I do a lot more streching throughout the day to keep my back muscles warm and loose.
As for my wrists: - I took your advice Bart, and now do warmups and warmdowns when I play, this has dramatically reduced the clicking in my wrists and they do not hurt at all now.
- What could have also been affecting them was that it has been bloody cold here the last week or so and my hands get very stiff, plus, I have been really busy at school writing wise and all that repetitive wrist movement would have made it worse
Also, on a side note, I have found a great pair of headphones which I use as ear protection. They are a pair of Sennheiser over-the-ear type and work wonderfully, so my ears will not get hurt either! All in all, I feel much better now, so thank you guys sooooo much for all your help!!!! James
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