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I have been experimenting with my hihat sound. I cannot decide what sounds better the shaft of the stick hitting the edge or playing with the bead of the stick. I play rock/ alternative and of course depending on the mix is how I play them. But what technique is everybody using?
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2003, 09:18 AM » |
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Here's my answer in a nutshell:
Generally I think most HH playing is done with the shoulder of the stick on the edge of the HHs--at about a 45 degree angle. This allows the stck to ahve enough "oomph" the make the HHs react with each other--especially when slightly open.
Of course, the tip can used if that is the desired sound, but I think your type of music would call for that sound much less frequently.
Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2003, 09:27 AM » |
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I tend to play with the bead on top (though near the edge). Gives me a more articulate sound and allows rolls and things. But if the song calls for it, Ill lay into 'em on the edge with the shoulder. Totally different sounds, its like asking if you play the ride or hats. Hopefully you do both depending on what you need.
If you want a bigger washier sound, but still want the articulation of playing on top, experiment with different hats. Big thin hats can get washy fast even when your playing on top with the bead. You just have to work the pedal right.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2003, 10:15 AM » |
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I normally hit the top of the hi-hat with the bead of the stick rather than the side of the hi-hat with the shoulder for three reasons: I like the sounds more, I can do it easier and quicker(more rebound), and it extends stick life. That's not to say that I never play hitting the shoulder of the stick to the edge of the hi-hat, if that's the sound I want that's the way I'll play.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2003, 11:34 AM » |
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Playing the hi hat is a blend of both. Certain music sounds better with the bead on the top, some with the meaty part of the stick attacking the side. You shouldn't limit yourself to one exclusively.
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2003, 01:43 PM » |
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Both. It all depends on the sound I want.
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2003, 01:59 PM » |
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Ever try playing the bell of the hi-hat? It's a nice, clunky sound when closed†.
When played open, it's a nice punctuation in the middle of a phrase.
†It's used to great effect on Kid Charlemagne by Steely Dan; although it seems that Bernard Purdie intended to aim for the bow of the hat rather than the bell throughout the passage, it sounds great nonetheless. It's a really distinctive sound.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2003, 02:32 PM » |
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Both. It all depends on the sound I want.
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2003, 09:45 PM » |
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Ever try playing the bell of the hi-hat? It's a nice, clunky sound when closed†.
When played open, it's a nice punctuation in the middle of a phrase.
my FAVORITE way of playing it! |
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2003, 01:46 AM » |
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I'd tend to go with JonE's answer, given that you are mostly playing Alt. Rock.
Bartman gives good advice as do all the other replies.
I can't say I've bounced my sticks on Hi-Hat too often though.
As everyone say's, experiment with all techniques.
I probably subconciously use the stick tip in quieter sections of music and the shaft (at 45 degree angle) in louder sections.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2003, 08:35 AM » |
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Hi-Hat technique has been my personal obsession. This is the part of the drum kit that I think enhances the music (for me) therefore I have been relentless in trying to learn as many techniques for playing the Hi-Hat. I believe the two best hat players are Dave Weckl and Jeff Porcaro to me they can play the hats in a way that just works with the music and gives it that extra spice. Therefore, for me multiple ways of playing the hats is the way to go and there isnt a perfect way just the best way for the music you are playing..
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2003, 11:54 AM » |
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All the above. I also have my top hat VERY loose where I can push on my hats (at a 45 degree angle) and have my hats move to about a 45 degree angle the opposite way (that make sense?  ). This allows for extremely washy to extremely tight sound. .I think you can get more sound ranges from a loose top hat as well as all the clean and tight sound you need using the tip of the stick or closed hats (as opposed to a tightly clamped top hat). So for me: - 45 degree stick-open hats, super washy sound - 45 degree stick-closed hats, heavy but articulated sound - tip of stick-open hats, loose but articulate tiny ride sound - tip of stick-closed hats, super tight articulate sound - then everything in between all the above for variations including the bell (and under the hats, from the bottom up) and the stand, foot stomp etc... |
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2003, 02:22 PM » |
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I believe the two best hat players are Dave Weckl and Jeff Porcaro
Well I certainly agree on Porcaro. You're probably right about Weckl too, but I'm not a big fan so haven't listened to him that much. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2003, 12:30 AM » |
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When playing my hats it really depends on the song and all.Some things call for the light tapping near the edge of the hats with the tip of the stick to get a cool groove fell while other times for a cool effect I will hit the hats while opening them all the way across from egdge to edge with pretty much my entire stick,Its a sweet sound for harder edged songs.It all depends,thay are so many ways to play the hats.Its all prefrence and style.I don't get into proper angles I just go with what feels right.If it feels right and natural and you don't feel like you are trying to do it then its most likely the best way to go.The body knows best.
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2003, 03:53 AM » |
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I love laying into the quarter note with the shaft of the stick and playing the &'s with the tip on the top(or the other way around ). But like someone else said, I try to play a hi hat pattern that fits the song. |
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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2003, 11:47 PM » |
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But what technique is everybody using?
Both. Sometimes separately, sometimes mixed. |
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« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2003, 11:48 AM » |
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Whatever the song calls for.
The songs structure and feel will dictate how it should be played.
example: "Fool in the Rain" by Zep. Play it both ways and see what a diffrence it makes in the way the song sounds.
My $0.02
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2003, 10:17 PM » |
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I like the shoulder on the side with slightly open hats sound but it doesn't fit all music. To help with groove i play tip on top and accent with the shoulder on the side. i.e 4/4 shoulder, tip, tip, tip, shoulder, tip, tip, tip. Gee that reads silly.  |
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2003, 12:56 PM » |
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Both
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2003, 06:53 PM » |
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i think you answered the question yourself!
but i use both, depending on situation and context.
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