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Author Topic: Limitations of not being a full-time drummer?  (Read 2263 times)
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2003, 04:57 AM »

All the musical knowledge in the world takes a back seat to being in the right place at the right time.  

The music business is a who-you-know- game; given that any two drummers can be virtuosi, the determining factor in terms of which one gets the "break" will be a question of personality/chemistry, or some similar non-tangible. A degree in music is a piece of paper that unfortunately doesn't carry more than it's own weight.

At the top of the art form, the world of session drumming is the definitive of who you know.

But, as Ellington said: "If you can play, just keep playing - someone will eventually hear you."
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2003, 08:16 AM »

What I'm asking is, how will placing drumming as a lower priority affect my drumming, as opposed to being a full-time, professional drummer? Can I still be successful? Will I still have the chance to "make it big"?

Yeah, I remember back when I was a senior, and pretty much flying by the seat my pants. I wasn't like you and thinking about the future, asking good questions of people I respected. You sound like a level headed guy!  Wink
That's good!

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Don't do things because of an expectation. If you're doing it to become famous, rich, or important,, then you might get it, but then you've started a never ending trap where you're always trying to achieve something and never allowing time for the enjoyment.
Most of these guys said "go with your heart", and that's the best advice.
Do what feels right, and resonates your soul.
You can't go wrong.
Maybe drumming won't end up being part of it, maybe it will, but your heart won't lie.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2003, 08:52 AM »

I'm no music pro but I would have to disagree.

Yes there are many equally talented and business savvy people in all industries, but it isn't luck that makes certain people successful for the most part, it's hard work and determination.  As well as being willing to do some things that other's won't or aren't able to (like eat plain rice for 6 months or travel for 3 days for one show etc).

I know plenty of skilled people in all types of everything, but only the people that work really hard (and I mean REALLY hard) actually stand up above the rest.

I would say luck plays a role about 1% of the time.  I base my opinion on what I do for my business and how hard I have had to work and the sacrifices I've made to be where I am.  Nothing, and I mean NOTHING to do with luck Smiley

I don't see why it's any different for any other job... like being a musician.

Well, it's a given that hard work and determination are essential to being successful.  I've never seen anyone who didn't have the necessary skills become successful, over a long term, just by being lucky.  That goes for all types of jobs, muscial or otherwise.

To ignore the luck factor is a mistake, IMHO.  You can't always control all factors.
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2003, 10:52 PM »

At your age, you have time.  Go for it if you really want to.  Work as hard as you can at it, give it all you've got.  At this point, you have little to lose.

If it looks like you're not going to really make it (this happens to most), you'll need some other way to make a living.  So, keep doing the things that will make that a good deal.  A serious effort to get ready for most other jobs will have a much better payoff in the cash department.

You'll probably end up being a weekend warrior with a day job and the wife and kids, etc.  But, while you're young, take your shot.  There's always an offchance that you'll make it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2003, 01:11 PM »

I'd go to college. Just be sure to get as much financial aid as humanly possible so if you decide to continue playing drums post-college, you won't have much debt following you around.

Also, if you go to college and become whatever, you can always be a musician as long as you keep writing music. Right now I am a freshmen in college and I have a lot of free time to put some stuff together. The only thing I regret is not being able to play my kit, although I do have a practice pad and a guitar here. You might want to invest in a electronic kit so you can keep practicing without disturbing your neighbors too (assuming you live there.)
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2003, 03:38 PM »

1. Start gigging NOW. No matter how old you are. Not in garage bands, but in bands that pay. Bands where playing is a JOB. When I was 14, I was playing weddings, bar mitzvahs, night clubs, orchestra pit gigs, etc. I advise this so that as early as possible, you get a taste for what it's like to have this art form also be your job.

I'm 17 years old; what is expected of me as a drummer in a pro band? What equipment do I need, what type of music do I need to know, which songs do I need to know, etc...? Can I still play at bars and night clubs if I'm a minor?

What's the best way to gig often? Stick with a certain band, sit-in for other drummers, etc...?

I want to gig, bad. I guess I don't really know where to start.
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2003, 05:17 PM »

Adam,
I started when I was 16 playing old standards like "Mack The Knife" with a heavy set lady piano player / singer. There was also a string bass and a sax player. My highschool band teacher had recommended me.

I had to go into the kitchen on breaks cause they wouldn't let me hang in bar.

I don't know how you can go out and get a gig, it just  happens. Hang out with musicians wherever they're playing, check the under twenty one clubs, music stores, the bill boards, and weekly newspapers. A lot of dance halls will have punk-o-rama night with 6-7 bands. Go hang and get to know them.

Better bands will be working with an agent and have gigs already lined up. Those are the serious ones and you may have to come in and play it cold. For that reason you've got to have done your woodshedding, and be ready to play authentically in their style. Listen and practice to as much music as possible.

Good luck!  Smiley
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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2003, 07:15 PM »

I'm 17 years old; what is expected of me as a drummer in a pro band? What equipment do I need, what type of music do I need to know, which songs do I need to know, etc...? Can I still play at bars and night clubs if I'm a minor?

What's the best way to gig often? Stick with a certain band, sit-in for other drummers, etc...?

I want to gig, bad. I guess I don't really know where to start.

It depends on what's happening musically in your area. At your age I was working most weekends in a wedding band, I was playing in the orchestra pit for theatrical productions, occasionally playing a bar gig, subbing for other pro drummers I'd befriended, etc. I joined the musician's union at 14, if I remember correctly. My band director in high school had his own professional group, and he'd use me occasionally, and he passed my name on to other working pros.

Learn your local scene, and look for your place within it. Pay attention to what songs they play, and learn them. Find out who the working pros are - maybe through the local union, or by checking to see where the local drum teachers can be found gigging. Get to know as many pros (all instruments, not just drummers) as you can. Find out if you can get away with working in clubs. Also, make sure all this is okay with your parents.

If you can't read, learn. Equipment-wise, have a good-sounding basic drumkit, and keep it in good shape. Be able to set it up quickly. Beyond that, you don't have to have any special equipment. Print up business cards with your name and number. You can do this cheap with your own computer, and print them on pre-perforated sheets of card stock you can buy in any office supply store.

To do weddings, conventions, and other corporate work, you'll need a tuxedo or a decent black suit. It's helpful to have a versatile appearance, and to be open-minded about modifying your appearance for specific gigs.

When you play with older musicians, shut up and listen. Follow their directions. Watch them like a hawk while you play. If you can't hear them, play softer.
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